WalkerW Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 Dr. Peterson, does the following statement by Silver Knight pass for serious discourse here at MAD? Why is Silver Knight apparently exempt from all standards of decency while Christians are banned from this board for merely defending their faith. Imagine if a Christian were to say this:Never forget this day. This was the day when you mustered the courage to face the people you spend your life lying about on your miserable little monkey cage of a message board. The day you stared in the face of the people you are paid by your pathetic little 'mini$try' to spread filth about.This was the day you got your due comeuppance. This was the day Mak et. al. cut out your lying tongue, and unmasked you for duplicitous hate-vomiting wretch you are.This technically would only count if you are Athanasius. Are you?Christians aren't banned for defending their faith here. That is a lie and a half.
alter idem Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 I have yet to have even ONE Mormon here tell me what the first part of Genesis 4:1 states. Just one would do - but all have studiously avoided addressing the issue. The sequence of events in Genesis 4 is "Adam knows Eve" (sexually); Eve bears Cain (as a result of previous knowing); Eve gives Yahweh the honor and glory for the new child.If you receive a special blessing, are you not likely to say it is from the Lord? For instance, if you were healed by the doctors, wouldn't you say, the healing was "gotten" from the Lord? Please think for yourself - or go to some Mormon authority and ask him.If I answer this, will you calm down and stop typing angry? Genesis 4:1 ""And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord."Since I don't read Hebrew, and I use the King James Version of the Bible, I say the interpretation is that Adam and Eve had intercourse and she became pregnant and bore a son, she named him Cain and she praised God that he had given her a son. I'm certain that any LDS who reads this would agree, it's pretty straightforward.There you go.Now, does that mean that the Hebrew can't be interpreted some other way? Apparently some think it can--I'm not going to agree or disagree since I don't know Hebrew, therefore I'm not qualified to agree or disagree. And unless you know Hebrew, I don't know how you would know either. Is it going to kill you if Maklelan does not budge from his interpretation? Does everyone have to see things your way for you to be satisfied? If so, I think you're not going to like it on this board and you might want to hang out with people who will always agree with you. You seem very angry with everyone here, yet if you will be honest with yourself, you did misstate the situation at CARM in your initial post. That tends to make others question your motives and your honesty. This is your thread and you can continue to duke it out as long as it doesn't get closed, but it seems to me that everything's been answered. We told you this was not LDS belief. You are aware that it is Mak's interpretation of a Hebrew text. If you wish to know if other Hebrew scholars agree with him, you might have to go find some. Then, maybe there would be something more to discuss.
The_Monk Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 I, however, do recognize that there are many great Hebrew scholars who disagree with you - CFR. You have cited ONE, Cassuto. (NB: One ?many) Cassuto's work on Genesis, while interesting, is generally held to be not his best work. although, everyone that we mention, you have rejected as being inferior to your own strange understanding.False. He's cited the most recent lexica. Authors still alive. Not himself. As for you, CFR. "Go back to the shadow" from whence you came.
SilverKnight Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 Is this the type of language that Mormons are allowed to use here? Aren't there any moderators. I bet if a Christian ever said anyting 1/4 as disgusting as this, they'd be banned for life from here.What's the matter Carol?Can't stand the taste of your own medicine? 1/4 as disgusting eh? Maybe you should post some of your classic diatribes you feed to your fawning brood over there and let everyone decide who is more disgusting.One snark on an LDS message board, or a 'Christian
Catherine Aurelia Posted November 17, 2009 Author Posted November 17, 2009 What's the matter Carol?Can't stand the taste of your own medicine? 1/4 as disgusting eh? Maybe you should post some of your classic diatribes you feed to your fawning brood over there and let everyone decide who is more disgusting.One snark on an LDS message board, or a 'Christian
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 Ban me? If I'm banned, why not the Mormons here who have indulged in some of the worst invective I've seen on the net?Are you Camrella? If you so you have created a sock puppet and that is against board rules. Carmella was banned some time ago. If you are not then you have nothing to fear. As far as some of the other strong rhetoric you feel it was to strong you can report it to the mods. Silver Knight will get a supsention/possible banning. It was over the top. I am not a mod though. Remember though that mormons are not Christian. So what is your point? IF you want to welcome us into the fold of Christian then I will happly agree that the rheotric has been strong in this thread. If not then you are not being consistant.
Catherine Aurelia Posted November 17, 2009 Author Posted November 17, 2009 CFR. You have cited ONE, Cassuto. (NB: One ?many) Cassuto's work on Genesis, while interesting, is generally held to be not his best work. False. He's cited the most recent lexica. Authors still alive. Not himself. As for you, CFR. "Go back to the shadow" from whence you came.give me the most recent lexica.
SlackTime Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 What's the matter Carol?Can't stand the taste of your own medicine? 1/4 as disgusting eh? Maybe you should post some of your classic diatribes you feed to your fawning brood over there and let everyone decide who is more disgusting.One snark on an LDS message board, or a 'Christian
alter idem Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 Hot damn! This is too good!Catherine Aurelia-Carmella-Athanasius-Carol:Never forget this day. This was the day when you mustered the courage to face the people you spend your life lying about on your miserable little monkey cage of a message board. The day you stared in the face of the people you are paid by your pathetic little 'mini$try' to spread filth about.This was the day you got your due comeuppance. This was the day Mak et. al. cut out your lying tongue, and unmasked you for duplicitous hate-vomiting wretch you are.Catherine Aurelia, if you are not Carmella-Athanasius-Carol, then I sincerely apologize, that mean-spirited tirade was not meant for you.But if you are, you just got a steaming pile of Karma shoved down your throat.So I'll take my mod-sponsored vacation. It was worth it.Clearly you need a vacation.
Catherine Aurelia Posted November 17, 2009 Author Posted November 17, 2009 Are you Camrella? If you so you have created a sock puppet and that is against board rules. Carmella was banned some time ago. If you are not then you have nothing to fear.As far as some of the other strong rhetoric you feel it was to strong you can report it to the mods. Silver Knight will get a supsention/possible banning. It was over the top. I am not a mod though. Remember though that mormons are not Christian. So what is your point? IF you want to welcome us into the fold of Christian then I will happly agree that the rheotric has been strong in this thread. If not then you are not being consistant.It's not that I don't want you to be saved, mola. It's just that that's not my call. It's God's. Read John 6 and 10, and Ephesians chpt. 1. It's not rhetoric when Silver Knight is allowed to make the most demeaning statements possible - but, I'd admit that, on the whole, you have been more cordial and willing to debate. Maybe you're on the wrong site!
WalkerW Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 give me the most recent lexicaDo you seriously not read? Go back and look at maklelan's recent posts. He provided them for you.
alter idem Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 Ban me? If I'm banned, why not the Mormons here who have indulged in some of the worst invective I've seen on the net?I've reported Silver Knight's attack and I suspect others have as well. If you feel other posters have broken board guidelines, there is a report symbol you can click on to bring it to the attention of the Moderators. They will handle it.
WalkerW Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 It's not that I don't want you to be saved, mola. It's just that that's not my call. It's God's. Read John 6 and 10, and Ephesians chpt. 1. It's not rhetoric when Silver Knight is allowed to make the most demeaning statements possible - but, I'd admit that, on the whole, you have been more cordial and willing to debate. Maybe you're on the wrong site!The right site certainly isn't CARM.Are you Athanasius/Carmella? You dodged both my and Mola's question.
SilverKnight Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 Clearly you need a vacation. I'm getting one, don't worry.Carmella. I apologize for my ugly, ill-advised, knee-jerk comments. I hope I did not misrepresent you or anyone at your organization. Do not use my poor example as the litmus test for this board.Everyone else, including the mods, I apologize for this despicable display. It is beneath you all and this message board, whose participation I greatly value.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 It's not that I don't want you to be saved, mola. It's just that that's not my call. It's God's. Read John 6 and 10, and Ephesians chpt. 1. It's not rhetoric when Silver Knight is allowed to make the most demeaning statements possible - but, I'd admit that, on the whole, you have been more cordial and willing to debate. Maybe you're on the wrong site!Ha. Good times, I suppose. I suggest that you report SK post. He will be dealt with. Beleive me I have read the bible a whole host of times and I will continue to read the bible. I am quite familiar with evangelical thought. I serverd part of my mission is Jerry Falwell country. That is Lynchburg Va if you did not know that. I have heard it all. I am not ashamed in what I believe. I know what I believe, just as you know what you beleive. I welcome the debate. I find that belittling comments do not further the discussion and I try to avoid them. I have one question though, are you Carmella?
maklelan Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 No, that is untrue. I don't claim any scholarship in Hebrew, but doubt that yours is uncolored by the cult you are a part of.I didn't say your personal scholarship, but the scholarship to which you are attracted. I, however, do recognize that there are many great Hebrew scholars who disagree with you - although, everyone that we mention, you have rejected as being inferior to your own strange understanding.You've yet to mention any scholarship. You've quoted "a scholar" a couple times, and you've appealed to translations, but no scholarship. Tell me, mak, what does the first part of Genesis one state? Do you ever use CONTEXT to determine a word, ever?Of course. I also know about literary conventions and rhetoric. Tell me, what do you have to say about the fact that I showed your statement regarding no single Mormon mentioning Gen 4:1a to be completely wrong? I linked to several who mentioned it, and yet you asserted that not a single one did. Where you mistaken, or can you explain yourself?
alter idem Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 What's the matter Carol?Can't stand the taste of your own medicine? 1/4 as disgusting eh? Maybe you should post some of your classic diatribes you feed to your fawning brood over there and let everyone decide who is more disgusting.One snark on an LDS message board, or a 'Christian
alter idem Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 I'm getting one, don't worry.Carmella. I apologize for my ugly, ill-advised, knee-jerk comments. I hope I did not misrepresent you or anyone at your organization. Do not use my poor example as the litmus test for this board.Everyone else, including the mods, I apologize for this despicable display. It is beneath you all and this message board, whose participation I greatly value.Apology accepted (at least from me).
WalkerW Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 No, that is untrue. I don't claim any scholarship in Hebrew, but doubt that yours is uncolored by the cult you are a part of.AKA "I don't trust you and don't consider you a scholar because you are Mormon."Apparently, Catherine can't view scholarship without being colored by her bigotry.
SilverKnight Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 There's a reason why some of us don't choose to visit that board. We don't wish to have to put up with that kind of rhetoric, so please don't spew it on our board simply because you aren't able to spew it on their board.Again, I apologize.Hopefully when I do receive my due punishment, it will serve to illustrate the differences of which you speak.
WalkerW Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 I'm getting one, don't worry.Carmella. I apologize for my ugly, ill-advised, knee-jerk comments. I hope I did not misrepresent you or anyone at your organization. Do not use my poor example as the litmus test for this board.Everyone else, including the mods, I apologize for this despicable display. It is beneath you all and this message board, whose participation I greatly value.Good for you, SK. We'll see you soon.
ERayR Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 It's not that I don't want you to be saved, mola. It's just that that's not my call. It's God's. Read John 6 and 10, and Ephesians chpt. 1. It's not rhetoric when Silver Knight is allowed to make the most demeaning statements possible - but, I'd admit that, on the whole, you have been more cordial and willing to debate. Maybe you're on the wrong site!Board rules require that when asked for references they must be given. Silver Knight went overboard and will be dealt with by the mods. If you do not produce the cites and references asked for (at least a dozen times) I will request the mods also address your refusal to do so.
Catherine Aurelia Posted November 17, 2009 Author Posted November 17, 2009 I didn't say your personal scholarship, but the scholarship to which you are attracted. You've yet to mention any scholarship. You've quoted "a scholar" a couple times, and you've appealed to translations, but no scholarship. Of course. I also know about literary conventions and rhetoric. Tell me, what do you have to say about the fact that I showed your statement regarding no single Mormon mentioning Gen 4:1a to be completely wrong? I linked to several who mentioned it, and yet you asserted that not a single one did. Where you mistaken, or can you explain yourself?Mak, please list any scholars who agree with you - that Genesis 4:1 is speaking of Eve procreating a child with God. Thank you. I am in contact with a professor who works in Middle Eastern studies and will review this with her.
SlackTime Posted November 17, 2009 Posted November 17, 2009 Again, I apologize.Hopefully when I do receive my due punishment, it will serve to illustrate the differences of which you speak.Well said SK,Now if only Catherine would take my suggestion from earlier and make her apologies, to Mak for misrepresenting him, etc. We could all join Dr Peterson in his love fest =)- SlackTime
Catherine Aurelia Posted November 17, 2009 Author Posted November 17, 2009 Ha. Good times, I suppose. I suggest that you report SK post. He will be dealt with. Beleive me I have read the bible a whole host of times and I will continue to read the bible. I am quite familiar with evangelical thought. I serverd part of my mission is Jerry Falwell country. That is Lynchburg Va if you did not know that. I have heard it all. I am not ashamed in what I believe. I know what I believe, just as you know what you beleive. I welcome the debate. I find that belittling comments do not further the discussion and I try to avoid them. I have one question though, are you Carmella?Mola, you may have heard it all, but have you met Jesus?
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