noel00 Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 I sometimes search religion department faculty sites on some colleges as you can sometimes get free papers which you can download and also find useful references. I notice for example Yale Divinity School has a number of women members , not in the soft area of pastoral care but both NT and OT where languages are required. However I notice BYU RD has only three women with only one involved in Biblical Studies, the other in church history. Why is that? Are LDS women encouraged in that area? Even Evangelical Seminaries have women faculty in their Biblical Studies departments.
Maya Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 I just noticed it had been great to be able to do real studyes on the subject. It was in my mind earlier, but then I had smal kids and wanted to take care of them and besides the study I could have got was Lutheran based totally. I would have loved to study, but it sitl is very deep, that first you need to take care of your family, that is work, no study, studying wont give you any money or time and you have to be able to take care of the kids too. A kid is sick and you miss the important exam for that year. I think women could use a bit more flexible studypossibility especially when kids are small. Guys seldom are able to take free from work to take care of sick kids! Like my fakesoninlaw, he is a dr. and working projects. Salary si very high, but he is NOT able to take free if a kid is sick of ahs to go to dentist or .... I dont think womens theological studies are very high rated in the life of YW today. It has always been the family, how to capture a good husband, that is what girls are thought. Studying in general has not come up until lately... Theology and stuff seems more like a thing for preasthood, after all they decide from all manuals ans everythign anyway . Probably if a woman would find a breaking story... a man would have to tell about it, to get the aknowilgements it is subtitled to.Any good internett studies around?? Something scolarly... cant work and study at the same time... well I have no small kids any more, but need to survive. I have bachelor in education from the Helsink Univeristy around 96...
David Bokovoy Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 I sometimes search religion department faculty sites on some colleges as you can sometimes get free papers which you can download and also find useful references. I notice for example Yale Divinity School has a number of women members , not in the soft area of pastoral care but both NT and OT where languages are required. However I notice BYU RD has only three women with only one involved in Biblical Studies, the other in church history. Why is that? Are LDS women encouraged in that area? Even Evangelical Seminaries have women faculty in their Biblical Studies departments.It's for the same reason that you very seldom see female professional Seminary and/or Institute teachers in the Church. The Religion Department at BYU is not a Divinity School. The emphasis is not upon religious research and/or scholarship, but rather religious/spiritual education. As a result, I believe that there are actually only one or two biblical scholars on the entire faculty. CES, which the BYU systems fall under, has a policy regarding professional female religious educators. If a woman has children at home, she cannot be employed as a religious educator. This policy reflects the desire in CES for religious educators to exemplify in their home and personal lives the Gospel standards which place familial responsibilities above profession. As stated in the Proclamation on the Family, "mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children," and as religious educators teaching spiritual values and Gospel principles to LDS youth, teachers are expected to follow this standard, amongst others.
maklelan Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 It's for the same reason that you very seldom see female professional Seminary and/or Institute teachers in the Church. The Religion Department at BYU is not a Divinity School. The emphasis is not upon religious research and/or scholarship, but rather religious/spiritual education. As a result, I believe that there are actually only one or two biblical scholars on the entire faculty. CES, which the BYU systems fall under, has a policy regarding professional female religious educators. If a woman has children at home, she cannot be employed as a religious educator. This policy reflects the desire in CES for religious educators to exemplify in their home and personal lives the Gospel standards which place familial responsibilities above profession. As stated in the Proclamation on the Family, "mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children," and as religious educators teaching spiritual values and Gospel principles to LDS youth, teachers are expected to follow this standard, amongst others.Gladly, however, they are moving toward better scholarship in that regard. I believe most (if not all) of the recent hires have all had PhD's relevant to their fields (Strathearn, Wayment, Belnap, Muhlestein, etc.).
structurecop Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 As stated in the Proclamation on the Family, "mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children," and as religious educators teaching spiritual values and Gospel principles to LDS youth, teachers are expected to follow this standard, amongst others.Why can't the woman work and the man take care of the children?
LifeOnaPlate Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Why can't the woman work and the man take care of the children?I'm angling for thsi approach. But I would also work at home.
David Bokovoy Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Why can't the woman work and the man take care of the children?Heck, I don't know, I'm just sharing the policy. I myself would love to be a domestic god.
Maidservant Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 CES, which the BYU systems fall under, has a policy regarding professional female religious educators. If a woman has children at home, she cannot be employed as a religious educator. Oh my gosh. I can't recall having such a strong anger reaction. I myself would love to be a domestic god.Cute . . . um, anyone out there wanna apply to be mine? (Kidding, um, searches around for Dr. Steuss's ... oh, yes, there is it . . . the ninja icon. )
Deborah Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Like my fakesoninlaw,Maya, if this means what I think it means, what a perfect description and I love it. But then I may not be understanding it correctly. My daughther once had a fakefiance (a ring but no date in 5 years). In any case I think the point you make is valid. It's also the same reason you don't see as many women in the top echelons of business. Women really are the primary caretakers of the children, whether the politically correct feminists want to admit it or not. And yes I know situations where the wife is the primary breadwinner and the husband stays with the kids and I think that is fine as long as one parent is home. Having said that the panel discussions on the various scriptures on BYU TV often have women scholars and I always enjoy their viewpoints.
katherine the great Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Why can't the woman work and the man take care of the children?Who says they can't? Most of the men I know don't WANT to take care of the children. In fact, most of the men I know consider themselves "babysitting" when they have to take care of the children while their wives go out for a rare girls night out or even a Relief Society meeting. However, there is a very active couple in our ward who have reversed traditional roles. She is a very successful business woman and he is very laid back guy who wasn't much of a student so she has much more earning power. The arrangement works very well for them and their children seem just fine.
Garden Girl Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Well... I remember (in the mid-70's when I was Admin Asst to the Dean of the Coll of Biological & Agric Sciences at UC Riverside) all the buzz when during a faculty search there was actually a female candidate... who was eventually hired into the position, and who eventually went on to excel in her research field and eventually became chair of her dept.This thread makes me think back to when women professors/scientists were definitely a minority... I don't know what has happened since, since I retired 18 years ago. Hopefully the situation has improved.from the beach on a rainy afternoon... GG
notHagoth7 Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Who says they can't? Most of the men I know don't WANT to take care of the children.Can't speak to that.But I'm a full-time dad for the present - and will likely always remember it fondly.But that's a temporary arrangement.(In a soft economy, my industry is often one of the hardest hit - which is why I'm in night school transitioning to something else.)
katherine the great Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Can't speak to that.But I'm a full-time dad for the present - and will likely always remember it fondly.But that's a temporary arrangement.(In a soft economy, my industry is often one of the hardest hit - which is why I'm in night school transitioning to something else.)I know several couples in my area that are exactly where you are, but only one who normally do it on an ongoing basis. I say "do whatever works!" I really, really, really want to go back to work but my husband really, really, really doesn't want me to until our youngest is past the vulnerable adolescent years. I think that if one parent can be a stay at home parent, that is really an ideal situation.
Jeff K. Posted October 24, 2009 Posted October 24, 2009 Why can't the woman work and the man take care of the children?Five words that open a plethora of other issues..... "Why can women breast feed?".
noel00 Posted October 24, 2009 Author Posted October 24, 2009 David, thats strange, the Psychology faculty has a consider number of women.
David Bokovoy Posted October 24, 2009 Posted October 24, 2009 Hi Noel,David, thats strange, the Psychology faculty has a consider number of women.No so much, when you consider that the goals of the Psychology and religion departments are totally separate. Again, the religion department at BYU is totally unique from all other entities on campus in so much that scholarship is not the department's primary interest. It's a religious education department designed to help strengthen the spirituality of BYU students and encourage their devotion to live Gospel principles. As such, the religion department shares more in harmony with LDS Seminary and Institute programs than with the psychology department at BYU. In fact, Institute students can transfer their credit directly to BYU to satisfy religion department requirements.
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