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9 hours ago, InCognitus said:

It was early Christian doctrine too, that men can become Gods, not just LDS doctrine.  Christian doctrine has changed since then.

God is the "God of gods and Lord of lords", as the Bible says.  

To add to it, such a concept was espoused upon by figures who are (or were) held in high regard in other churches.  They even have similar teachings that have continued, see theosis in Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic traditions.

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On 8/12/2026 at 12:01 PM, Stargazer said:

In saying this, Jesus was addressing his apostles at the Last Supper. Did mansions only apply to the Apostles, then?

The New Covenant is for many.

"In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place
for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where
I am you may be also" (ESV).

Jesus does not reside where some believe the terrestrials or telestials will go.
 

On 8/12/2026 at 12:01 PM, Stargazer said:

Yes, but it's not "cross," it's "crown." Typo? "79 These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus; wherefore, they obtain not the crown over the kingdom of our God."

Yes. It was a typo.  

If I am not mistaken, one aspect of the crown is exaltation.  All others were not valiant in the testimony 
of Jesus so they didn't receive it.
 

On 8/12/2026 at 12:01 PM, Stargazer said:

Where you get that from? Don't get too wrapped around the axle about lack of "fulness." The verse in question goes:

"77 These are they who receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father."

If you have the presence of the Son, you have the fulness of the Son.

I think in LDS theology "fulness" is closely associated with receiving the fullness of God's glory and 
ultimately attaining godhood/exaltation, by following him, repenting, and keeping covenants.  Those in 
the two lower divisions of the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial, and telestial kingdoms don't obtain 
it.

LDS sources make that connection much more explicitly than the biblical text itself does. The fulness 
of the Son means receiving the full measure of what Christ has—his glory and power, through his grace, 
so you become like him.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ya-weekly/2021/04/pursuing-the-fulness-of-christ

Doctrine and Covenants connects "fulness" with Christ himself: Jesus received a fulness of the glory 
of the Father and received all power, both in heaven and on earth (93:16-17). Then he teaches that this 
is the pattern for us too: if we follow him, we can "in due time receive of [the Father's] fulness" and 
be "glorified in [Christ]" (verses 19–20).

The "Becoming Like God" essay connects receiving the "fulness" with becoming gods, citing Doctrine and 
Covenants 76:58–60 and 88:107.

Now I turn to those biblical passages.

Paul prays that Christians may "know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled 
with all the fulness of God" (Ephesians 3:19).

"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, 
unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ" (Ephesians 4:13).

Notice Paul's wording: "filled with" the fullness of God, rather than "become God."

So I don't see how you can equate the terrestials having the "presence" of the Son with them having the 
"fulness" of the Son. 

By the way, the fulness of the Son equals the fulness of the Father.
 

On 8/12/2026 at 12:01 PM, Stargazer said:

I know that this is all nonsensical from the point of view of someone who holds the Athanasian Creed as truth. The god who is described as "one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance" cannot possibly separate itself into three parts to minister to three different eternal destinations.

God is eternal, the Word is eternal, and the Spirit is eternal - three eternals but not three Gods. This 
doesn't make sense to some.
 

On 8/12/2026 at 12:01 PM, Stargazer said:

Yes, but is that what the original Greek term means? 

According to blueletter bible, its μοναὶ.

See https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3438/kjv/tr/0-1/

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