Vatican firmly rejected moves to formally proclaim Mary as co-redemptrix or co-mediatrix

[TheTanakas]

The article at Catholic.com ends with "The Church doesn't just change doctrine like 
that, so pray a Hail Mary and ask our Lady for peace".

Maybe the title has changed, but her role seems intact.

https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/mary-mother-jesus-and-all-believers-not-co-redeemer-vatican-says
https://www.americamagazine.org/vatican-dispatch/2025/11/04/vatican-mary-redemptrix-mediatrix-doctrine/
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-mary-still-mediatrix-of-graces

[Calm]

1 hour ago, TheTanakas said:

The article at Catholic.com ends with "The Church doesn't just change doctrine like 
that, so pray a Hail Mary and ask our Lady for peace".

Maybe the title has changed, but her role seems intact.

https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/mary-mother-jesus-and-all-believers-not-co-redeemer-vatican-says
https://www.americamagazine.org/vatican-dispatch/2025/11/04/vatican-mary-redemptrix-mediatrix-doctrine/
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-mary-still-mediatrix-of-graces

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“Mater Populi Fidelis” is the Latin title of the 20-page document; in English, it means “The Mother of the Faithful People of God.” The text addresses two titles, in particular, that some attribute to Mary—“Co-Redemptrix” and “Mediatrix of All Graces”—and rejects both because they risk obscuring the revealed truth that Christ is “the sole Mediator and Redeemer.”

That was my reaction to the idea.  Those titles seem to place them in equal roles, but perhaps I don’t understand Catholic use here.

[Pyreaux]

After reading The Hebrew Goddess by Raphiel Patai, and Margaret Barker, it stirs in me that the Catholic veneration of Mary as co-redemptrix or co-mediatrix is a mistaken identity, they've confused Mary with the other 'Mother of the Lord' who is indeed a divine feminine, co-redemptrix or co-mediatrix.

Before Judaism's late official stance on monotheism, there was a persistent proto-Christian royal cult, angel cult, and a Mother Goddess cult or other female divine beings existing in ancient Israel. The Goddess of Wisdom, Asherah and her virgin daughter Anath, evolved into the Hokhmah the divine Wisdom, who is often depicted In Proverbs as the Lord's female co-worker, the Shekhinah, the Matronit (Matron), the Sabbath Bride, who is separated from and seeks reunification with the masculine aspect of God.

She was originally central to the royal cult and early Israelite religion but was later purged from the official Hebrew texts (the Old Testament canon) in monotheistic reforms of King Josiah around 600 BC. But preserved in ancient non-canonical texts and eventually re-emerged in early Christianity as the Holy Spirit and morphed into the veneration of the Virgin Mary. These Marian titles of co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix are a misidentification, where the roles and attributes of the ancient, purged, divine "Mother of the Lord" have been transferred to the historical mother of Jesus, Mary.

In the Dead Sea Scrolls, Mary is not the Mother of the Lord in Isaiah 7:11.

The Masoretic Text says "Ask a sign for yourself from the LORD your God..." (Isa 7:11) (Hebrew: she'al-lekha 'ot me-'im YHWH 'Elohekha)

The crucial word is me-'im, which means "from with" or "from the presence of" the LORD (YHWH). This directs Ahaz to ask for a sign directly from God.

The Great Isaiah Scroll (1QIsa), "Ask a sign for yourself from the Mother of the LORD your God..." (Hebrew: she'al-lekha 'ot me-'em YHWH 'Elohekha)

The preposition min [from] plus the noun 'em [mother].

The Gospel of the Hebrews, several Church Fathers like Origen and Jerome quote, "My Mother, the Holy Spirit, took me just now by one of my hairs and carried me off to the great Mount Tabor." Directly identifies the Holy Spirit as Jesus's Divine Mother.

The Holy Spirit is the agent of Jesus's conception, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God." (Luke 1:35).

Jesus saying He and John the Baptist are the children of Wisdom, "Wisdom is justified by Her children" (Matthew 11:19). Solomon equates "the Holy Spirit" with "Wisdom" (Wisdom of Solomon 9:17)

The Mother of Christ of Revelation 12 is not Mary, it's the Holy Spirit matching the ancient concept of the Divine Feminine in Judaism and early Christianity. The Shekhinah that accompanied Israel in exile aligns with the Woman's flight to the wilderness. The mother of Jesus and mother to "the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus" (Rev 12:17). The Holy Spirit is universally understood as the one who brings the "new birth" and sustains the Church, making her the mother of all believers.

The Woman is not human, she has wings, she is "clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars", is the divine Wisdom (Hokhmah). The Spirit is portrayed as hovering/fluttering upon the sea like a bird in Gen 1:2, descending as a dove in Matt 3:16. King Josiah removed the Asherah Yam (She who treads upon the sea), the sun, moon and stars from Solomon's temple. When the Babylonian spirit of the temple of Herod is burned by Rome, the Woman comes back as the bride.

The Catholic doctrines of Mary's cooperation in redemption and mediation of all graces grant her a status that critics and even the Vatican's recent guidance here say risks obscuring Christ's unique mediation because the terms imply a parallel, near-divine role.

They mistake attributing the roles of the ancient, divine Lady Wisdom to the human Virgin Mary. Catholic Marian maximalism is an unconscious revival of the original Divine Feminine cult, but mistakenly focusing it on a human being, which elevates Mary beyond the traditional Christological boundaries. It very seems like a theological category error conflating the human mother of the historical Jesus with the ancient, cosmic Mother figure of the Lord who is a co-mediatrix.

Edited November 8, 2025 by Pyreaux

[rpn]

On 11/7/2025 at 7:44 PM, Pyreaux said:

Before Judaism's late official stance on monotheism, there was a persistent proto-Christian royal cult, angel cult, and a Mother Goddess cult or other female divine beings existing in ancient Israel. The Goddess of Wisdom, Asherah and her virgin daughter Anath, evolved into the Hokhmah the divine Wisdom, who is often depicted In Proverbs as the Lord's female co-worker, the Shekhinah, the Matronit (Matron), the Sabbath Bride, who is separated from and seeks reunification with the masculine aspect of God.

Isn't their struggle that  they don't understand we have a Heavenly Mother? who is equal with Heavenly Father, parents of Jesus Christ and all of us?

[Pyreaux]

10 hours ago, rpn said:

Isn't their struggle that  they don't understand we have a Heavenly Mother? who is equal with Heavenly Father, parents of Jesus Christ and all of us?

"They" who? Orthodox Jews? Many Orthodox Jews, especially those past their younger years, quietly engage with Kabbalistic teachings and accept the concepts of the Shekhinah and the feminine Sefirot (divine emanations) as integral parts of their belief system. The ideas of the Divine Feminine were not deleted but were re-categorized and reserved for advanced, disciplined study.