theplains Posted January 15 Author Posted January 15 On 1/6/2026 at 12:52 AM, InCognitus said: So the "heads of the Gods" are God the Father (who called the grand council) and his grand council. But as you can see, this was directed by the one and only "head God" (God the Father). I can understand that God the Father is the "head of the Gods" (maybe the 2 Gods being Jesus and the Holy Ghost), but not that he is the "heads of the Gods". Who are the "heads of the Gods"? The Joseph Smith Papers also mentioned "the perfection of the Gods". How was Heavenly Father perfected? On 1/6/2026 at 12:52 AM, InCognitus said: We have no information on that question. But, I presume it was by following the plan established by the "head God", God the Father. That was in regards to my question "where did Heavenly Mother come from and how did she become a God?" So I assume that you believe Heavenly Father was a being who always existed as a God, who created a woman in his image without the involvement of a female Goddess to create her in her image. Then he, this God, married his creation, and made her into a God after he resurrected her? On 1/6/2026 at 12:52 AM, InCognitus said: What in the 1997 Gospel Principles manual "mentions a few things which infer that heavenly parents of our Earth became Gods"? Make sure your examples include that they are "heavenly parents of our Earth". I'll give you examples from both "Gospel Principles" and supporting teachings from several other sources. "If we passed our tests, we would receive the fulness of joy that our heavenly parents have received". (See D&C 93:30–34.) Key teaching: heavenly parents received a fulness of joy. "We would have a resurrected body; we would have all power in heaven and on earth; we would become heavenly parents and have spirit children just as he does (see D&C 132:19–20). Key teaching: we would also have a resurrected body like Heavenly Father. "Because we are made in his image (see Moses 6:9), we know that God has a body that looks like ours. His eternal spirit is housed in a tangible body of flesh and bones (see D&C 130:22). God's body, however, is perfected and glorified, with a glory beyond all description". Key teaching: the body of Heavenly Father was perfected. "Our Heavenly Father is a real person with a tangible, perfected body of flesh and bones". Key teaching: the body of Heavenly Father was perfected. "We learned that if we placed our faith in him, obeying his word and following his example, we would be exalted and become like our heavenly parents. We would receive a fulness of joy". Key teaching: the LDS Heavenly Mother and Father received their fulness of joy. This is associate with exaltation, becoming a God. This is the LDS plan of salvation, following the example set by heavenly parents. "We can be exalted as God is and receive a fulness of joy. We can, at some future time, increase our family by having spirit children". Key teaching: exaltation brings a fulness of joy. We can receive it, as our heavenly parents also received it. "2. We can be exalted as God is and receive a fulness of joy". "4. They will receive a fulness of joy". Then we have similar connections with other teachings. "Man is a soul, that is, a dual being, a spirit person clothed in a tangible body of flesh and bones. God is a perfected, saved soul enjoying eternal life. He is both immortal and exalted to the highest glory. He is enjoying that blessed condition which men may attain to by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. The Almighty is not alone in his eternal glory. Myriads of saved souls enjoy his society. Family relationships prevail there; spirit offspring are born there; our spirits were born there". (President Marion G. Romney, Second Counselor in the First Presidency). https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1974/10/how-men-are-saved?lang=eng Key teaching: Heavenly Father is a perfected, saved soul. "Less well understood, however, is the fact that God is an exalted man who once lived on an earth and underwent experiences of mortality . The Prophet Joseph Smith refers to this as "the great secret." (Times and Seasons 5:613, August 15 1844). See also Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345.) The progression of our Father in heaven to godhood, or exaltation, was strictly in accordance with eternal principles". (source: "Achieving a Celestial Marriage" manual). Key teaching: his progression to godhood. "Three glorified, exalted, and perfected personages comprise the Godhead or supreme presidency of the universe. . . . They are: God the Father; God the Son; God the Holy Ghost". "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, basing its belief on divine revelation, ancient and modern, proclaims man to be the direct and lineal offspring of Deity. God Himself is an exalted man, perfected, enthroned, and supreme. By His almighty power He organized the earth, and all that it contains, from spirit and element, which exist co-eternally with Himself". (Religion 430–431, Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual). Key teaching: Heavenly Father was perfected/exalted. "In the premortal existence, Heavenly Father prepared a plan to enable us to become like Him and receive a fulness of joy". ("True to the Faith", topic "Plan of Salvation"). "Because of this plan, we can be perfected through the Atonement, receive a fulness of joy, and live forever in the presence of God". ("True to the Faith", topic "Plan of Salvation"). (Book of Mormon Seminary Teacher Manual, 2012). Key teaching: being perfected is made possible through an atonement, an atonement for heavenly parents too. Key teaching: Heavenly Father was perfected/exalted. "If men and women are to enter into a fulness of joy it must needs be that the family relationship should continue throughout eternity". (October 1928 General Conference). "We are physically separated from God during life on earth, but He wants every one of His children to find peace in this life and a fulness of joy in His presence after this life. He wants us to become like Him". "Our ultimate purpose is to prepare to return to God’s presence and receive a fulness of joy". "Those who have repented of their sins and received the ordinances of the gospel and kept the associated covenants will be cleansed by the Atonement of Christ. They will receive exaltation in the highest kingdom, also known as the celestial kingdom. They will live in God's presence, become like Him, and receive a fulness of joy. (Preach My Gospel) "We can obtain a fulness of joy only as we become like our Heavenly Father—which is a process that continues throughout this life and into the next". (Book of Mormon Seminary Teacher Manual, 2017). "I bear my witness that because of Heavenly Father’s great plan of happiness, each of us can be perfected through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. With our families we can live with our Heavenly Father eternally and receive a fulness of joy. Of these things I testify in the name of Jesus Christ, amen". (October 2011 General Conference). "To be entrusted with the power to create life carries with it the greatest of joys and dangerous temptations. The gift of mortal life and the capacity to kindle other lives is a supernal blessing. Through the righteous exercise of this power, as in nothing else, we may come close to our Father in Heaven and experience a fulness of joy. This power is not an incidental part of the plan of happiness. It is the key—the very key". (October 2010 General Conference, Agency and the Plan of Salvation) In summary, the LDS Heavenly Father received his fulness of joy and he received a perfected body. He is a saved and perfected soul. He became a God.
The Nehor Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) 5 hours ago, theplains said: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one" (Deuteronomy 6:4). Not a good translation. 5 hours ago, theplains said: "I am the LORD, and there is no other" (Isaiah 45:5). "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god" (Isaiah 44:6). "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Mark 12:29). "There is no God but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4). "One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all" (Ephesians 4:6). "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men" (1 Timothy 2:5). Same problem. These are not making exclusivity claims about divinity. They are arguing that our god is the bestest and most powerful and the others are weak by comparison. It is a standard boasting thing. You can find prayers to polytheistic gods that do the same thing talking about how wonderful this god is compared to all others and that compared to this god they are nothing. Monotheism came later depending on how you categorize the Trinity as monotheism. Edited January 16 by The Nehor 4
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