blueglass Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 I just want to say that I'm thankful for this change - although it needs more reform. After sitting on 8 of these at the stake level and 2 at the ward level - we always had these on sunday evenings and I felt that pulling 15 people from all across the state from their families to spend 3 hrs at these was an enormous investment in time. The difficulty level from sec 102 never rose to the level of 2 or 4 high councilors, which means the rest who were in attendance just asked a question or two before the stake presidency ultimately held a second council by themselves and made the decision. 1
Islander Posted March 8, 2020 Posted March 8, 2020 Sadly, in my experience (some 18 years) in the church and being part of many "disciplinary councils", the emphasis is in the "discipline" and not in the help. Must people that are excommunicated of disfellowshiped leave the church, never to return. Outside of the "Mormon belt", where there is no peer/social pressures to engage and participate with the community of Saints, people are just shunned and pushed away. Very little effort, time or compassion is directed to help them come back to the fold. In fact, the large number of "less actives" in the rolls points to great apathy in that regard. Most members show little insight into the fact that a secret sin is as much of a sin and offense before God as a public one. But, since there are no public consequences for the private one, they feel/think better of and about themselves than the poor man/woman who was publicly disciplined. We forget that true, genuine repentance and forgiveness from God can take place, effectively, much faster than the time imposed by the procedural norms of the church (cf. Enos). Very sad. 1
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