california boy Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 48 minutes ago, Storm Rider said: Agreed completely. Peer pressure is amoral by its nature. It would be nice if society was built on Christian principals and were dedicated to living them in a thoughtful manner. That is not the case today and though I think there possibly were times when humans in the world lived a more moral lifestyle, it is not reflective of our societies today. Unfortunately, I have not been that impressed with "Christian principles lately. Really not ready to jump onto that bandwagon.
Mansquatch Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, clarkgoble said: Theft = taking anything from someone against their will in an unlawful fashion. So if you don't pay your car payments and the repoman comes, it's not theft even if it's against your will. You may not like to pay taxes, but so long as it's done legally then it's not theft. Your altered definition renders the word meaningless since the law can be changed when a majority wants it to. If you don't pay your car payments you are the one guilty of theft and breach of contract. Ahh, the old everything legal is moral fallacy. Killing Jews was legal in 1940's Germany, but it was still murder. Changing the law didn't change what it was. Taxation is supported by threats and violence and is thus, at it's very core, evil. This evil brings with it all kinds of other evil things like what we see in the OP. A system built upon evil cannot be supported by those who wish to be found on the side of good.
Walden Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, california boy said: Unfortunately, I have not been that impressed with "Christian principles lately. Really not ready to jump onto that bandwagon. I'd prefer a society built on Buddhist principles😏
clarkgoble Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mansquatch said: Your altered definition renders the word meaningless since the law can be changed when a majority wants it to. Exactly. You may not like what they do, but it's not theft. We can of course debate whether it is ethical to do. 2 minutes ago, Mansquatch said: Ahh, the old everything legal is moral fallacy. Nope. The old semantics matter logic. If you want to argue taxes are wrong that's fine. But that's different from arguing it's theft. The real big problem is arguing taxes are wrong because it's theft. It often is circular if they think it's theft because it's wrong. Edited September 14, 2018 by clarkgoble 1
Mansquatch Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Head on over to Somalia where they accept your values. Let us know how it goes. Taxation has been around since the advent of government itself. God approves government in general in our scriptures. God does not condemn taxes in general. It is clear that even righteous governments in the Book of Mormon had them. But go ahead and be a pedantic nut and tilt at those windmills. And again, check out taxless Somalia. If you need help getting together funds to get there let me know. I would be willing to contribute as I believe it would be in my rational self-interest to do so. So if Somalia just instituted taxes they would be honky dory then. That's a strange assertion to make. I think they would tell you they have too much theft over there as it is. God does condemn taxes. "Thou shalt not steal". He also does not condone threats, violence and oppression.
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