Paiute Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 On 5/29/2018 at 9:29 AM, JAHS said: Something I have noticed is that there are many places in church literature that tells us that in the First Vision Joseph Smith learned that God the Father has a body of flesh and bone. I remember being taught that too as I grew up in the church. Here are some examples: "Joseph Smith Learned Many Things from His Vision Ask the children what Joseph Smith learned from his vision. Bring out the following points: Joseph saw Heavenly Father and Jesus. He learned that they have bodies of flesh and bone." (“Lesson 5: The First Vision,” Primary 3 (1994), 20–23) "A new truth, a concept not understood by the myriads of people on the earth, burst forth, and in that moment (first vision) there was only one man on the face of the whole earth who knew with absolute assurance that God was a personal being, that the Father and Son were separate individuals with [glorified] bodies of flesh and bones [and that he] had been created in their image. As the Son was in the image of his Father, the Father God was the same kind of image as the Son." (“Chapter 21: The Prophet Joseph Smith,” Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Spencer W. Kimball (2006), 226–35) "Another truth we learn because of the First Vision and the Prophet Joseph Smith is the true nature of God. Just imagine how blessed we are to know that God is a being with a body of flesh and bones as tangible as ours," (Essential Truths—Our Need to Act, By Elder Adilson de Paula Parrella, Of the Seventy, Oct 2017) From Wikipedia: "According to the LDS Church, the vision teaches that God the Father and Jesus Christ are separate beings with glorified bodies of flesh and bone;" Joseph Smith already knew Jesus had a resurrected body of flesh and bone based on the following scripture when Jesus appears to His Apostles: "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (Luke 24: 39) But Joseph Smith could not have known from the first vision alone that God the Father had a body of flesh and bone without having touched Him. According to FairMormon "There is no documentary evidence that indicates exactly when Joseph Smith learned that God the Father had a glorified and perfected body of flesh and bone. And there is also no indication that Joseph learned any such thing during his 1820 First Vision." This is one point of confusion that I have heard from other church members and investigators where they have gotten the impression or were directly taught that Joseph learned God the Father has a body of flesh and bone during the first vision when we don't really know for sure when he learned that. "20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time." None of us know all that Joseph Smith learned during the First Vision. Joseph Smith never revealed all that he learned from it. This was a pattern of past Prophets, each asked to seal up knowledge they received due to unbelief.
Paiute Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 I apologize for the triplicate posting. Seems my device didn't respond. I don't know how to delete the two.
Calm Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 You won’t be able to delete a post, but will be able to edit one when you get to 25 posts.
JAHS Posted June 2, 2018 Author Posted June 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Paiute said: I apologize for the triplicate posting. Seems my device didn't respond. I don't know how to delete the two. That's OK The Angel Moroni visited Joseph Smith three times during the night and said the same things also. 🙂 But your point is taken. Just because something was not recorded doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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