Stargazer Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 18 hours ago, Rain said: I think it IS those things (well similar) and is important, but it isn't for this thread topic. I do like your wording though and may have to use it when trying to discuss it with others because I have been unsuccessful with most in trying to make my question about it understood. Thanks! The mechanism of the atonement may be rocket science or quantum physics, but it is important to realize is this: even if we don't understand its mechanism, we can nevertheless understand how to make use of it. That's the simple part of the Gospel -- we don't have to understand the Atonement in all its particulars, mechanisms, and mathematics. Just like you don't understand electricity (and you don't), yet all you have to do to make use of it is to flip the switch and there be light!
Stargazer Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 1:35 AM, mbh26 said: Elder Robbins talk really fit for me. It actually went pretty well today. I didn't get into anything controversial. I didn't have to. Everything controversial I had to say was right in Elder Robbins talk and I just read parts of it word for word. Glad it went well for you! I should like to have heard it. It's a topic near and dear to my heart. On 4/30/2018 at 1:35 AM, mbh26 said: As important as this life is, I don't believe it's the end of our opportunities, certainly not for all of us. I think everyone has had or will have these opportunities. But I can't accept that Christ forces some to work out their salvation with fear and trembling over arduous and painful decades while doling it out to others with no similar efforts on their part. That's not the kind of being I would want to worship. It's certainly not the Jesus I was taught about in primary when I made my baptismal covenants. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Paul wrote "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." I'd guess we are ALL expected to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Softened by the fact that "fear" has multiple meanings, and in the context of our relationship with God, it usually means "respect" and "awe", not the kind of fear associated with "terror". It kind of sounds like you're saying that those who live a long, long life, going through all the vicissitudes until they reach 95 years old, for example, have been put through too much when compared to those who by the apparent luck of the draw live only a few years in relative ease and die at age 10, for example. Should the 10 year old be denied blessings in the hereafter because they didn't have it as hard as the oldster? And your earlier remark about how bad Job had it, apparently as the result of a wager between God and Satan, and that something had to be made up to him because he had had it very very bad, and through no fault of his own? I'd kind of guess you're looking at things a little too much through a worldly lens. Or I don't understand what you mean (likely!).
mbh26 Posted May 1, 2018 Author Posted May 1, 2018 I still think God should be fair. I don't think anyone should be denied the opportunity. But I don't think some should get salvation free while others have to work for more of it. To me that would mean Christ isn't fair. And I think He is fair. 1
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