jpv Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, MiserereNobis said: Those must have been some strong tidal forces If it was the moon instead of a mob, maybe explains why people said he was carrying a Jupiter talisman at the time.
jpv Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Calm said: CFR please, looks like she was 12 years younger than him and their first child was born when she was 22 (born in 1812, child born 1834). Haven't found a marriage date yet, but was no more than 21 most likely. The five children were on average about 3 years apart. https://www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/frances-hambaugh_140582649 Never mind, found: https://www.jstor.org/stable/40193411?seq=2#page_scan_tab_contents Married June 1828, she would have been 15 or 16. He would have been 27 at the time, and this was a monogamous marriage. Helen Mar Kimball was younger as she was 14. Also another whose name I have forgotten was likely 14, iirc. Joseph was 37, I believe. And it was a plural marriage. I do concede that there is mixed evidence (death records vs. marriage) to as to whether Ford's wife was 14 or 15, where as with Helen Mar we have an exact date, Nancy Winchester is possibly 14 as well. All I mean to prove is to put to rest this idea that although there were marriages that young in that day, that "nobody respectable" was marrying brides that young. The contemporary governor clearly establishes this.
juliann Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Of course. But as you can see this line of doctrinal thought was common in the Church of this period. Pratt, Young, Kimball, Cannon, Joseph F., Jedediah Grant, and othe early leaders. They all taught a variety of doctrines about Adam, Christ, Mary, and cosmology that would have circulated through the much smaller membership. Like Brigham's Adam-God theory which was also repudiated? Quote Brigham and Orson both taught that God and Mary were married. Therefore we can conclude that it was NOT one of the doctrines in The Seer that caused Brigham to repudiate it. But forget all that. Just produce a statement from a modern prophet, conference talk, manual confirming that. This is fundamentalistism, nothing wrong with that, but you rarely disclose that you do not believe in "mainstream" Mormonism. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 11 hours ago, jpv said: A better one is that Governor Ford of Illinois, we pledged to protect Joseph from the moon that killed him, married his cousin when she was younger than any of JS's wives... and consummated, which there is no evidence JS did with any of the younger wives. Not fully clear what you are saying here, and could you provide a source? Thanks.
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