hagoth7 Posted July 4, 2017 Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) Late last year, I read a helpful article in Christianity Today on what salt meant anciently, which was really helpful. Adding flavor to food, like today. A preservative. (Not used as much for that today.) A fertilizer. (Not modern table salt, which can kill vegetation.) Salt needs to have and retain savor, which includes its salvic qualities, per the NT. Salt, Joseph Smith, and a parting sprinkle over the shoulder (and behind the back) for our day As I read that article, I was briefly renting a room on a street that had an odd name. Which eventually led me to explore gypsum, and its early uses, which specifically referenced Joseph Smith's day/locale. In Joseph's day, gypsum was used as inexpensive fertilizer in farms and in NY and neighboring states, a ready supply of which was in Nova Scotia. Deep pits were dug there to extract it, and pirate ships roamed the Great Lakes to bootleg it to America. (The early Morgan masonic tragedy, and thereby later events in Missouri and Nauvou that bore fruit during the Civil War have some origins, in a good way/outcome, with such Great Lakes events.) Which finally helped me understand the context/significance of this quote, by Joseph: https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-19?lang=eng God speed. Edited July 4, 2017 by hagoth7 3
hagoth7 Posted July 4, 2017 Author Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, hagoth7 said: https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-19?lang=eng A needed addition: Many years back, during a blitzkrieg, red-eye-special, research trip to historic religious sites in NE America (many of the sites LDS), I had the privilege of visiting the historic Johnson farm described in Chapter 19. My brother and I arrived around sunset. And the senior missionaries there provided us a tour of the location, explaining significant things that had happened, and had been revealed there. For what it's worth, of the various sites of sacred history I've had the privilege to visit, that brief evening in Ohio, in the upper room of a quiet farmhouse, was the most powerful and lasting. Tangibly more so than the Sacred Grove, the Whitmer farmhouse, Cumorah, Kirtland, Nauvoo, Liberty Jail, Carthage, Rotorua, the Danevirke, Fredericia, Dybbol, and Gettysburg combined. The only two experiences that come somewhere close in substance were... 1. Standing near the former burned-down, long-since-abandoned remnants of a family farmhouse in northern Europe, alongside my father at the end of my mission, and looking down to notice rhubarb plants at our feet, still flourishing, earlier generations of hardworking farmers somehow saying, *we were here.* 2. Receiving kind permission to dig up tulip bulbs at the abandoned farmhouse of my great-grandfather in Idaho, and watching them bud later. True history resonates, like a tuning fork. Should you ever pass near Ohio, please do yourself and your companions a favor, and make an evening trip to that out-of-the-way Ohio farm, with a prayer in your heart to better understand and appreciate the prophet Joseph Smith. God bless the missionaries there. Edited July 4, 2017 by hagoth7 1
Tacenda Posted July 4, 2017 Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) Sweet sentiments Hagoth! It made me think of some favorite historical church site moments of my own... 1. Older missionary sister putting my husband and I in a small room with a blanket on a cozy couch to watch a church video at the Hill Cumorah site late in the evening. 2. A young sister missionary's stirring testimony at the Liberty jail in Kansas city where Joseph and others had to stay for months. 3. Watching an elder missionary brother dowsing for graves in the old cemetery in Nauvoo because the mobs threw the headstones in the ravine after running the saints out of town. 4. Visiting an LDS church in every state I visit, I'm interested in their size and if they are architecturally different than Utah churches. I checked out one in Waco, Texas today. It was nice and average size. 5. Castle Valley Mormon pageant in Castledale, Utah. The castle-looking mountains surrounding you. Horse riders in the pageant and taking you back in time. These were just a few. Happy July 4th to you! Edited July 4, 2017 by Tacenda
hagoth7 Posted July 4, 2017 Author Posted July 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Tacenda said: Sweet sentiments Hagoth! It made me think of some favorite historical church site moments of my own... 1. Older missionary sister putting my husband and I in a small room with a blanket on a cozy couch to watch a church video at the Hill Cumorah site late in the evening. 2. A young sister missionary's stirring testimony at the Liberty jail in Kansas city where Joseph and others had to stay for months. 3. Watching an elder missionary brother dowsing for graves in the old cemetery in Nauvoo because the mobs threw the headstones in the ravine after running the saints out of town. 4. Visiting an LDS church in every state I visit, I'm interested in their size and if they are architecturally different than Utah churches. I checked out one in Waco, Texas today. It was nice and average size. 5. Castle Valley Mormon pageant in Castledale, Utah. The castle-looking mountains surrounding you. Horse riders in the pageant and taking you back in time. These were just a few. Happy July 4th to you! Good stuff. 1,776 rep points. :0)
hagoth7 Posted July 11, 2017 Author Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Gotta add one thing. While Casting Crowns is by far my favorite group, and has been for many years, Lauren Daigle is by far my favorite soloist. Her music ministry, introduced to me last year by an amazing pastor, has serious, ongoing ripples and resonates, for me, like a tuning fork. This song came across the playlist a moment ago, and needed to add it to this thread: Please consider doing yourself the favor of getting very familiar with her music ministry, and with that of people and groups like Casting Crowns. Edited July 11, 2017 by hagoth7 1
RevTestament Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 On 7/4/2017 at 2:01 PM, Tacenda said: Sweet sentiments Hagoth! It made me think of some favorite historical church site moments of my own... 1. Older missionary sister putting my husband and I in a small room with a blanket on a cozy couch to watch a church video at the Hill Cumorah site late in the evening. 2. A young sister missionary's stirring testimony at the Liberty jail in Kansas city where Joseph and others had to stay for months. 3. Watching an elder missionary brother dowsing for graves in the old cemetery in Nauvoo because the mobs threw the headstones in the ravine after running the saints out of town. 4. Visiting an LDS church in every state I visit, I'm interested in their size and if they are architecturally different than Utah churches. I checked out one in Waco, Texas today. It was nice and average size. 5. Castle Valley Mormon pageant in Castledale, Utah. The castle-looking mountains surrounding you. Horse riders in the pageant and taking you back in time. These were just a few. Happy July 4th to you! Second H7s sentiments here Tacenda. Those peaceful, tender moments can definitely be not only memorable but spiritual. Sometimes I wish I could recapture some of these moments in my life - when I just felt so at peace and connected to everyone and everything. Those moments seem hard to come by these days. I am glad you had some! The Spirit definitely resides in this Church when the members are in tune with it. 1
hagoth7 Posted July 26, 2017 Author Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Gonna be rude and add this to this thread... To punctuate the need/request to care for our awesome animals. Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7
Tacenda Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 1 hour ago, hagoth7 said: Gonna be rude and add this to this thread... Too punctuate the need/request to care for our awesome animals. I never knew this about animals, I'm going to share it to my FB page. Before my little yorkie died, he would lick me and I didn't care for it at all. My friend would always let Biscuit (my dog's name) lick her, maybe she knew about this. In the future when I hopefully get another dog, I'll let them lick me, haha, thanks!!
hagoth7 Posted July 26, 2017 Author Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I never knew this about animals, I'm going to share it to my FB page. Before my little yorkie died, he would lick me and I didn't care for it at all. My friend would always let Biscuit (my dog's name) lick her, maybe she knew about this. In the future when I hopefully get another dog, I'll let them lick me, haha, thanks!! Yep. It's hot out there. Please let up a flare or three. Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7
hagoth7 Posted July 26, 2017 Author Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) On 7/4/2017 at 10:47 AM, hagoth7 said: ..led me to explore gypsum, and its early uses, which specifically referenced Joseph Smith's day/locale. In Joseph's day, gypsum was used as inexpensive fertilizer in farms and in NY and neighboring states And spoke with someone during the last few days who said her father, who hauled (modern) fertilizer got cancer early and died. Ditto is said of those who fertilize golf courses and farms. Similar was said this last weekend of a tragic scourge afflicting this country's migrant farmworking people, the poorest of the poor putting food on *our* table. Saw a young child Saturday night from that community afflicted with a malady, and it would make any stonehard heart melt and weep. And read an article of a state rep (in another county) essentially laughing about it all the way to retirement...claiming it won't be cured in his lifetime...when a cure or three is readily within reach. Simply furious that so many gadiantons literally don't give a damn, and may be intentionally creating the very problem they're being paid to resolve .Which is why they laugh.) Ask me about it in private some time. Investigated the website that was supposed to relieve those kids suffering in the farmworking community (some of them are here in Utah)...and although it was a plaintive plea for help (i.e. send money to help discover a cure for this ailment.), a quick search of who owned the website said it had a private lock on that info. And an eyebrow went up...and I started figuratively thumbing the edge of my axe. And it didn't take long to find out what the ailment likely is, OR the likely quick way to cure it. And people laughing about it likely know that too. If you are farmworkers, or know farmworkers, or are a primary president, or are a healthworker or wish to become one, and feel so impressed, PLEASE contact me in private. Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7
hagoth7 Posted July 26, 2017 Author Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Double-dealing. Ditto with *some* addiction treatment centers. Essentially a means for someone to self-medicate problems that we as neighbors could actually help them resolve without meds. While many addiction treatement centers are likely awesome, at least one that I knew of was as corrupt as could be, and was in cahoots with the local blackmarket drug syndicate. The one would feed the problem. The other would pose as solving the problem, and charge exhorbitant amounts to pose as doing so, with zero results - and numerous complaints. Revolving door back to addiction. Etc. Have a few stories to share about that, perhaps another day. Ditto with the war on crime. The war on drugs. The supposed war on terror. Ditto with the supposed push for safety in the mining industry....etc. That's the tricksy thing about declaring war *on anything*...creates incentive for the supposed gatekeepers to be threatened/paid to look the other way. With zero check and balance. Who's watching the watchers? (Not just to keep them honest...but to protect them from sharks?) Or is it more a matter of electing people to office that can be trusted to man/woman their post, come what may? Much of the doubledealing that happens would be like dentists handing kids a big sack of sugar on the way out the door, and paying for sugary-product commercials. And chuckling all the way to the golf course. Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7
hagoth7 Posted July 26, 2017 Author Posted July 26, 2017 16 minutes ago, hagoth7 said: Who's watching the watchers? (Not just to keep them honest...but to protect them from sharks?) Or is it more a matter of electing people to office that can be trusted to man/woman their post, come what may? Elections And how are you even going to elect people when electronic voting was proven years ago by the Dutch to be prone for traceless deception (tallies modified w/in minutes leaving zero trace)? Which is why they outlawed it there. We have massive tax-supported stadiums and auditoriums and fields and parks where people could step forward and visibly show which person/law they're voting for.. Instead of a private curtain, that offers zero receipt for one's vote, and zero check and balance that what was voted is what will be counted. Too prone to backroom deals and backroom counting. I have a book called "You Call This an Election?" Just wondering what the fathers and former citizen soldiers would think of the current system, given all that they sacrificed and fought, and bled to establish.
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