malkie Posted February 20, 2017 Posted February 20, 2017 On 2/16/2017 at 1:16 PM, JLHPROF said: I am not convinced Moroni's promise fails. I think more often than not we fail to meet the requirements. Moroni 10:3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. 4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. 5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. So for someone who does not have faith in Christ there should be no expectation that the promise would result in a manifestation of the truth, right?
JLHPROF Posted February 20, 2017 Posted February 20, 2017 2 hours ago, malkie said: So for someone who does not have faith in Christ there should be no expectation that the promise would result in a manifestation of the truth, right? I would agree. Or if they didn't really want to know (real intent) Or if they had other motives (sincere hearts) Or if they received these things (read them) but didn't ponder them in their hearts
Stargazer Posted February 20, 2017 Posted February 20, 2017 I had a similar experience to that mentioned in the OP, sort of. Before I left for my mission I decided I needed to read the Book of Mormon all the way through from cover to cover and pray about it. So I did. I spent a week each evening after work reading it carefully through. And finally the day came when I was done. So I knelt down and asked if it were true. Nothing. So I prayed longer, and after many minutes I still wasn't getting anything. It was time for bed, so asleep I went. Next day, I prayed about it again. Nothing. And the next, the same. I was actually getting quite peeved with the Lord! I wanted "my testimony"! And I wanted it now. A few days later I was thinking about the whole thing when suddenly it hit me: I already knew the Book of Mormon was true. I had gotten my initial testimony of it when a young man whom I had just met told me about it. I had read in the book a number of times and felt the Spirit's witness many times. In fact, during the "official" cover-to-cover read I had had the Spirit bear record to me a number of times -- but I wasn't paying close attention, because I was expecting a more revelatory experience, and for it to come at a dramatic time and place. Although in fact I didn't really know what I was supposed to get! There had been a number of occasions when the Spirit had borne record to me of the truthfulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and I had had actual revelatory experiences -- ones that had told me what I needed to know at the time. When the Lord said "line upon line, precept upon precept", that's what He meant. And of course, sometimes people do get those lightning strike experiences. 2
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