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18 minutes ago, halconero said:

 

A direct degeneration from the temple endowment, just like masonry.

As are the robes of academia and the adjusting of the cap at graduation.
(And don't get me started on the ancient Asian "tai chi" grips and hold in a martial arts magazine I saw online that look sort of familiar).

For Joseph to have made up the endowment is such an impossibility.  There are elements of the endowment scattered in dozens of cultures, through all the centuries, bits and pieces of the endowment are everywhere.  It would be impossible for Joseph to have even known about most of them.
I have no doubt about the origin of the endowment being pure revelation.

And as a British Canadian I love the monarchy too!

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Makes our Inauguration ceremony look kinda pale in comparison, but we'll try to like it.

There's a fun old Peter Seller's movie, "Prisoner of Zenda", where the coronation ceremony is burlesqued. Deep psychological study. Well worth hunting for.

Now, when the Pope came here to Denver the Denver Post did a two page spread on his clothes. Hat, coat, pants, etc. The text said he's the only one allowed to wear white, which was a surprise to me... I think they meant the only Catholic priest allowed to. But there at his wrists was a little patch of cloth peeking out, with the caption "special garments under his other clothing."

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1 hour ago, JLHPROF said:

There are elements of the endowment scattered in dozens of cultures, through all the centuries, bits and pieces of the endowment are everywhere.

Military and police dudes wear these funny hats, which are essentially a bag over the top of the head with a band around the edge; and a flat piece of cardboard or something inside. (Then they add a little brim to keep the sun out of their eyes.)

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11 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

A direct degeneration from the temple endowment, just like masonry.

As are the robes of academia and the adjusting of the cap at graduation.
(And don't get me started on the ancient Asian "tai chi" grips and hold in a martial arts magazine I saw online that look sort of familiar).

For Joseph to have made up the endowment is such an impossibility.  There are elements of the endowment scattered in dozens of cultures, through all the centuries, bits and pieces of the endowment are everywhere.  It would be impossible for Joseph to have even known about most of them.
I have no doubt about the origin of the endowment being pure revelation.

And as a British Canadian I love the monarchy too!

Check out the process of becoming a Mandaen Priest. They're a Gnostic-Sethian sect orginating in Iraq and Syria, but have largely dispersed since 2003. They have three levels of priesthood, with entrance into the highest taking place via anointing, crowning, and becoming a representation of Adam. They are taught the "Great Secret" that the Heavenly Adam and the Heavenly Eve came down, formed the earth, and then became the Earthly Adam and the Earthly Eve. 

They also perform baptisms for the dead, take the sacrament with bread and water, and have other similar ceremonies.

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9 minutes ago, halconero said:

Check out the process of becoming a Mandaen Priest. They're a Gnostic-Sethian sect orginating in Iraq and Syria, but have largely dispersed since 2003. They have three levels of priesthood, with entrance into the highest taking place via anointing, crowning, and becoming a representation of Adam. They are taught the "Great Secret" that the Heavenly Adam and the Heavenly Eve came down, formed the earth, and then became the Earthly Adam and the Earthly Eve. 

They also perform baptisms for the dead, take the sacrament with bread and water, and have other similar ceremonies.

I will have to do that.
The elements that coalesced into Joseph's Nauvoo endowment are so far spread and so little known in his day that they could only have come by revelation.
It is one of my strongest testimonies of the restored gospel.
If the endowment were merely a copy of masonry with a few tweaks it would be different.  But it is found in so many cultures, and lands, and histories, many of which Joseph would never have even heard of in his day, to bring them together into a coherent ordinance is nothing short of divinely inspired.

I love Nibley's Temple and Cosmos work, showing duplicates of the veil in other cultures, the use of gammadia in early Christianity.
Looking at the Zoroastrian religion and their sacred clothing, or so many others.
 

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19 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

I will have to do that.
The elements that coalesced into Joseph's Nauvoo endowment are so far spread and so little known in his day that they could only have come by revelation.
It is one of my strongest testimonies of the restored gospel.
If the endowment were merely a copy of masonry with a few tweaks it would be different.  But it is found in so many cultures, and lands, and histories, many of which Joseph would never have even heard of in his day, to bring them together into a coherent ordinance is nothing short of divinely inspired.

I love Nibley's Temple and Cosmos work, showing duplicates of the veil in other cultures, the use of gammadia in early Christianity.
Looking at the Zoroastrian religion and their sacred clothing, or so many others.
 

Here's a good PDF on them:

http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/books/mandaean/adam.pdf

This is a good summary of their beliefs:

1. A supreme formless Entity, the expression of which in time and space is creation of spiritual, etheric, and material worlds and beings. Production of these is delegated by It to a creator or creators who originated in It. The cosmos is created by Archetypal Man, who produces it in similitude to his own shape.

2. Dualism: a cosmic Father and Mother, Light and Darkness, Right and Left, syzygy in cosmic and microcosmic form.

3. As a feature of this dualism, counter-types, a world of ideas.

4. The soul is portrayed as an exile, a captive; its home and origin are the supreme Entity, to which the soul eventually returns.

5. Planets and stars influence fate and human beings, and are also places of detention after death.

6. A saviour spirit or saviour spirits which assist the soul on the journey through life and after it to 'worlds of light.'

7. A cult-language of symbol and metaphor. Ideas and qualities are personified.

8. 'Mysteries', i.e. sacraments to aid and purify the soul, to ensure rebirth into a spiritual body, and ascent from the world of matter. These are often adaptations of existing seasonal and traditional rites to which an esoteric interpretation is attached. In the case of the Naṣoreans this interpretation is based upon the Creation story, especially on the Divine Man, Adam, as crowned and anointed King-priest.

9. Great secrecy is enjoined upon initiates; full explanation of 1, 2, and 8 being reserved for those considered able to understand and preserve the gnosis.

10. Mandaeans believe in marriage and procreation, and in the importance of leading an ethical and moral lifestyle in this world. They also place a high priority upon family life. Consequently, Mandaeans do not practice celibacy or asceticism. Mandaeans will, however, abstain from strong drink and red meat. While they agree with other gnostic sects that the world is a prison governed by the planetary archons, they do not view it as a cruel and inhospitable one.

I agree with you completely. Either Joseph was who he said he was, or he was not only a liar, but the world's most Una knowledge archaeologist, anthropologist, theoretical physicist, and historian without even realizing it.

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On 1/13/2017 at 11:10 AM, halconero said:

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10. The monarch is disrobed and left in a simple white shift (Elizabeth II wore a plain white dress), and led to the altar.

11. Sitting in a chair, the Archbishop takes the oil and with the spoon begins to anoint various parts of the monarch with the following:

On the palms of both the hands, saying, 
Be thy Hands anointed with holy Oil.

On the breast, saying, 
Be thy Breast anointed with holy Oil.

On the crown of the head, saying, 
Be thy Head anointed with holy Oil:
as kings, priests, and prophets were anointed:

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I've left out a TON of details, but I found these to be the most significant. Whenever the time comes, take a moment to watch the coronation and see for yourself. :)

I watched it on live television in 1953 as Elizabeth Windsor became Elizabeth II.  The anointing of her breasts was hidden from view.  The orb with cross you listed was the orbis terrarum (minutum mundum), which is a symbol of kingship and model of the Earth on a small scale -- over which she had dominion.  The same basic regalia and anointing were displayed at the coronation of Elizabeth I in the PBS-TV Masterpiece Theatre presentation of “The Virgin Queen” (BBC Power/ Boston: WGBH, 2005), while her Welsh father, Henry VIII, had himself painted as the Welsh King Arthur holding orbis terrarum and Excalibur (see Michael Wood’s “Arthur: The Once & Future King,” in his In Search of Myths & Heroes , broadcast on PBS-TV Nov 2005).  Of course, Excalibur is symbolically the same as the Sword of Laban as a holy relic.

See http://www.oremus.org/liturgy/coronation/cor1953b.html  (“Form and Order for Service”)

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