theplains Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 This is from the "A Promised Land" article as it appeared in the June 1976 editions of the Ensign magazine. By Jeffrey R. Holland, Church Commissioner of Education. There was a lot of material in this article to comment on and ask questions about. Please excuse the length. I wonder how much this article would still be intact if re-written today (40 years later than the original) "The most sacred of places, then, will always be those locations which God has designated for holy and eternal purposes, locations where he is the "doer of the deed." These places are revered forever by his faithful children wherever they may be." When the New Testament Christians of the Bible were being dispersed away from Jerusalem, which locations did they teach were designated for holy and eternal purposes of God? "Whatever its name and geographical configuration, however, it [America] was from the beginning a land of divinity as well as a land of destiny." Does 'America' mean North, Central, and South America or just the United States of America? What does a 'land of divinity' mean? "This resplendent place filled with paradisiacal glory was located on that part of the land mass where the city Zion, or the New Jerusalem of the earth’s last days, would eventually be built. (See D&C 57:1–3, D&C 84:1–3; and Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 3:74.)" Does the LDS Church have any plans which would reveal their belief they will build this New Jerusalem before the Second Coming? Or are these plans only known to the 15 Apostles? "After Adam and Eve were driven out of the Garden, they dwelt at a place called Adam-ondi- Ahman, located in what is now Daviess County, Missouri. In that region this first family lived out their days, tilling the soil, tending the flocks, offering sacrifices, and learning the gospel of Jesus Christ from on high." What scripture shows they lived in the same general area all their lives? Or is this purely speculation? "The willful Cain had already made his covenant with Satan and taken the life of his younger brother, Abel." Moses 5:29 says, "And Satan said unto Cain: Swear unto me by thy throat, and if thou tell it thou shalt die; and swear thy brethren by their heads, and by the living God, that they tell it not; for if they tell it, they shall surely die; and this that thy father may not know it; and this day I will deliver thy brother Abel into thine hands." Why would Satan need to make a covenant with Cain's brethren instead of just Cain alone? And why would he want them to swear by God? "Two generations later the Lord was so pained by that generation "without affection" (Moses 7:33) that he opened the windows of heaven and cleansed the entire earth with water. Thus, the "everlasting decree" (Ether 2:10) was first taught that he who will not obey the Lord in righteousness will be swept from his sacred land. The lesson would be tragically retaught in dispensations yet to come." What do you consider as God's sacred land (singular)? "Holy scripture records that after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof." (Ether 13:2.) Such a special place needed now to be kept apart from other regions, free from the indiscriminate traveler as well as the soldier of fortune. To guarantee such sanctity the very surface of the earth was rent. In response to God’s decree, the great continents separated and the ocean rushed in to surround them. The promised place was set apart. Without habitation it waited for the fulfillment of God’s special purposes." What is this special place/promised place? And does this reference to 'without habitation' mean there were NO other people living there at that time? "There in the meridian of time the land enjoyed three generations of peace and perfection, which it would not know again until the Master’s millennial reign." I see a reference to 200 years, but where does the idea of three generations come from? 4 Nephi 1:22-23 – "And it came to pass that two hundred years had passed away; and the second generation had all passed away save it were a few. And now I, Mormon, would that ye should know that the people had multiplied, insomuch that they were spread upon all the face of the land, and that they had become exceedingly rich, because of their prosperity in Christ. And now, in this two hundred and first year there began to be among them those who were lifted up in pride, such as the wearing of costly apparel, and all manner of fine pearls, and of the fine things of the world." "The Nephite-Lamanite morality descended from "sorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics" (Morm. 1:19) into rape, murder, and cannibalism (see Moro. 9:7–10), creating a vision so repulsive that it was "impossible for the tongue to describe, or for man to write,"a scene of greater wickedness than had ever been seen "even among all the house of Israel" (Morm. 4:11, 12). If this is true, why does the Book of Mormon say that those in Israel were the more wicked part of the world (2 Nephi 10:3)? "A thousand years after God had given such choice land to their fathers and a thousand years before he would attempt to do it again, Mormon wrote to his son Moroni: ... " Which event in time is 1000 years after 'God had given' and 1000 years before 'he would attempt to do it again'? "Then in the allegorical prophecy made of these events, "the Lord of the vineyard" looked at the waste of his creation—and wept. "What could I have done more for my vineyard?" was his painful cry." I couldn't find anything in LDS training manuals that explain who the Lord of the vineyard is. Does the author fail to identify him because he is also unsure? "[Joseph] grew up toward adolescence just like the new land. He fitted it. He was young, clean, unspoiled—a lad without a past, kneeling in a grove." Is is really an accurate portrait of Joseph Smith? After supposedly seeing a vision of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ in the grove, JSH says in verse 28 - "I was left to all kinds of temptations; and, mingling with all kinds of society, I frequently fell into many foolish cerrors, and displayed the weakness of youth, and the foibles of human nature; which, I am sorry to say, led me into divers temptations, offensive in the sight of God." Did this 'unspoiled lad" become 'spoiled' only after reportedly seeing a vision or was he just exhibiting his previous personality traits? "His plan made it possible for the holy priesthood and the Church to be restored upon the earth— the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ—but only in America. … "The purpose of America was to provide a setting wherein that was possible. All else takes its power from that one great, central purpose." (Ensign, Nov. 1975, p. 54.)" Does the LDS Church really believe 'America' is the United States only or could the restoration of the gospel also have happened with the Constitutional freedoms of Mexico, Argentina, or Venezuela? "These two cities, Zion (the New Jerusalem) and the ancient city of Jerusalem, will be those capitals out of which both the word and law of the Lord shall go forth and to which all nations shall flow. (See Isa. 2:2–3.)" This seems to say that Salt Lake City will become irrelevant. What do you think? I have never seen any LDS literature speculating on the future relevance of SLC. Thanks, Jim
cinepro Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 On a slightly related note, I did hear a rumor that British colonies typically had excellent freedom of religion (hence, persecuted religions' desire to go to them), and had Joseph Smith founded the Church in a British colony it may have flourished under formal British protection. Because in the end, being in the USA didn't really do much to protect the Church and its members. Not sure it that's true, but it's an interesting idea.
waveslider Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 I have been recently reading and studying the birth of the U.S.A.. I don't believe that the church could have been successfully started under British rule. It is amazing at how many miracles had to happen just to have the U.S. become a reality, based on the thought that we should be free to worship God in our own way as opposed to the state sponsored religion being the only way. Even with all of that, the Mormons ended up having to go outside of the U.S. just to stay alive, just to be free to worship God how they saw fit, before Utah was admitted into the U.S.. I do think that Central and South America are rich lands, abounding in natural resource wealth, so it all seems like a good promised land, but the fact that the church was restored and centered here in the U.S. obviously makes it a little more promised. Where God's people are is where He wants them to be for now anyway. You have brought up way too many questions for me to want to even address them all, but the question about SLC not being the permanent center of the church, and having it moved to Missouri with the building of the New Jerusalem, you have to realize that there is a lot of wickedness, and Godlessness taking place, as the U.S. governmental system continues to get ever more corrupted to the point that it doesn't even follow the constitution properly anymore. The people as a whole are on a downward spiral getting further from God all the time. There is going to have to be a cleansing of evil first before Christ will come again to reign in the New Jerusalem. I doubt that Missouri will look anything like it does today, when the building of the New Jerusalem commences. My biggest suggestion is to pray about these things, and try to find out through scripture what is meant, and you will see how this article you read isn't anywhere near as off base as you think it is, judging by your questions you have posted. Just my two cents worth anyway.
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