Book Of Mormon Dna, Artifacts, Linguistic, Cultural, Evidence

[Hagoth]

Here's the results of a DNA study, using other sources, before Kennewick DNA was made available:

 

"Despite unsuccessful attempts to extract ancient mtDNA from the Kennewick specimen in Vantage, Washington. The presence of haplogroup X in prehistoric North America, along with recent findings of haplogroup X in southern Siberians, confirms the hypothesis that haplogroup X is a founding lineage. Am J Phys Anthropol 119:84–86, 2002."

 

and 

 

"To the best of our knowledge, this is the first evidence of haplogroup X in prehistoric America to be confirmed using both control region markers and the diagnostic restriction site gain in the coding region. This verifies a prehistoric presence of haplogroup X in North America that is probably derived from a Siberian source population."  

 

http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/34275/10106_ftp.pdf

 

The subsequent sequencing of Kennewick Man's DNA is the nail in the coffin. This latest research, released only a month ago, definitively places haplogroup X in America millennia before Jaredites. It's time for Book of Mormon apologists to concede that DNA evidence is no longer helping in their cause. (Mic drop)

[Hagoth]

Also the Hopewell Indians had a advanced metallurgy and woven cloth that dates to biblical times. A Bering land bridge crossing predates these technologies.

Of course it does. No one is claiming that the first arrivals brought such things with them.

 

I think it is extremely dismissive and racist to rob the original Americans of their amazing accomplishments by assuming that they could only have been achieved by Yahweh-worshiping white people. This is exactly what is wrong with the outdated ethnocentric "evidence" you posted. Every day we learn more about the inspiring heritage of these remarkable people and when I see people pushing modern research aside in an attempt to take that away from them makes me truly sad.

[Tom m]

The Book of Mormon states that nephite brought this technology with them and the fact that this technology died with Hopewell Indians and was not continued is a good match and support for the Book of Mormon. And I have to disagree with you the Book of Mormon is not racist

Edited July 4, 2015 by Tom m

[ERayR]

The Book of Mormon states that nephite brought this technology with them and the fact that this technology died with Hopewell Indians and was not continued is a good match and support for the Book of Mormon. And I have to disagree with you the Book of Mormon is not racist

 

Again you are reading more into the BoM than is stated.

[Hagoth]

Copper tools (produced without smelting) date to approx. 6000 BC in North America and woven cloth dates to about 6000 BC.

[Tom m]

Copper tools (produced without smelting) date to approx. 6000 BC in North America and woven cloth dates to about 6000 BC.

Smelting dates to the Hopewell a significant match.

"most remarkable discovery at Mann. Linderman says scientists are starting tests on what appears to be evidence of lead smelting. The practice of melting metals at a very high temperature is just one of the many questions archaeologists will be confronting in upcoming digs that they hope will clear up at least a few of the Mann Hopewell Site's, and by extension, American prehistory's greatest mysteries. There have been ancient furnaces found at several Ohio sites, the most notable called Spruce Hill, but there was evidence tampering and some would say a cover-up to keep these discoveries quiet. Smelting is a technological practice that, until recently acknowledged at Mann, was only introduced in North America after the arrival of the French, well over 1,000 years after the Hopewell era. "It's a sleeping giant," says museum curator Greenan, "and it's going to take its place as one of the most important archaeological sites in North America."

[Hagoth]

 And I have to disagree with you the Book of Mormon is not racist

You misunderstood me. They people who try to explain away the accomplishments of the original Americans as being the work of white people are racist. In 19th Century the Indians were thought of as lazy and degenerate and the only way people could make sense of the amazing earthworks and artifacts they were finding was that there must have been white people here first. Hence, heavily-biased conclusions were made. Fortunately, just as all other branches of science have moved forward over the past couple of centuries, so have anthropology and archaeology.

 

The racism in the Book of Mormon is another topic altogether.

[Tom m]

Is this the same hagoth from new order Mormon

[Hagoth]

Smelting dates to the Hopewell a significant match.

"most remarkable discovery at Mann. Linderman says scientists are starting tests on what appears to be evidence of lead smelting. The practice of melting metals at a very high temperature is just one of the many questions archaeologists will be confronting in upcoming digs that they hope will clear up at least a few of the Mann Hopewell Site's, and by extension, American prehistory's greatest mysteries. There have been ancient furnaces found at several Ohio sites, the most notable called Spruce Hill, but there was evidence tampering and some would say a cover-up to keep these discoveries quiet. Smelting is a technological practice that, until recently acknowledged at Mann, was only introduced in North America after the arrival of the French, well over 1,000 years after the Hopewell era. "It's a sleeping giant," says museum curator Greenan, "and it's going to take its place as one of the most important archaeological sites in North America."

Melting lead is a far cry from iron smelting and steel production, but this will be a very interesting topic to follow. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Hagoth]

Is this the same hagoth from new order Mormon

Yes, is this the same Tom from New Order Mormon?

[The Nehor]

I'm racking my brain for examples. I'm trying to imagine how the stories of Columbus, Pizarro, Cortez, Jamestown, the Pilgrims, the Vinland Vikings, etc. would differ if they left out that particular detail. And pretty much anyone else who has ever made and intrusion into a place that was already populated.

 

Oh, I was clearly referring to exactly that bit of history of left out. My, you are a smart one. You deserve a cookie.