Will Scientists Create New Life In The Lab?

thesometimesaint · October 20, 2014

“I try to believe in as many as six impossible things before breakfast. Count them, Alice. One, there are drinks that make you shrink. Two, there are foods that make you grow. Three, animals can talk. Four, cats can disappear. Five, there is a place called Underland. Six, I can slay the Jabberwocky.”
― Lewis Carroll

Ps;

Edited October 20, 2014 by thesometimesaint

Mola Ram Suda Ram · October 20, 2014

There is not a "This poll is dumb" option.

pogi · October 20, 2014

Will scientists create new life in the lab? Well, it doesn't seem like the most romantic place, but...

Seriously though, so what if they do, what will that prove in your mind? That God is not the creator of all life? Man cannot create life without the intervention of God. All life, and all matter has spirit and intelligence. God is the father and creator of it all regardless of how it came to be on earth.

Edited October 20, 2014 by pogi

Rob Osborn · October 20, 2014

“I try to believe in as many as six impossible things before breakfast. Count them, Alice. One, there are drinks that make you shrink. Two, there are foods that make you grow. Three, animals can talk. Four, cats can disappear. Five, there is a place called Underland. Six, I can slay the Jabberwocky.”
― Lewis Carroll

Ps;

Lets see, impossible things-

1. All matter in the universe started out in an extremely small tight compact ball and then exploded into what we see in our telescopes today.

2. Life can originate on its own from non intelligent processes.

3. All life originated from one single source which itself came from non life substance.

4. Scientists will discover how nature can create life on its own without intelligent input.

5. Evolution from common descent is a fact.

6. debating with evolutionists.

Rob Osborn · October 20, 2014

Will scientists create new life in the lab? Well, it doesn't seem like the most romantic place, but...

Seriously though, so what if they do, what will that prove in your mind? That God is not the creator of all life? Man cannot create life without the intervention of God. All life, and all matter has spirit and intelligence. God is the father and creator of it all regardless of how it came to be on earth.

Its more than that though. All scientists can do is create scenarios that make the basic ingredients for life. What they cannot do however is create the scenario where viable intelligent information is created. Even the supposed first life form had to have an intelligent design element to it. If the scientists could truly create a natural scenario where nature, on its own could produce intelligent information, then we could debate the what ifs of life. They still cant get over the hurdle of how nature can create intelligent information on its own. The analogy here is that even nature can create pretty much all the elements (ingredients) that make an atomic bomb, but it cannot make the bomb on its own because it lacks the intelligent and purposeful ability to create intelligent information and intelligent processes that create something that has intelligent purpose.

MormonFreeThinker · October 20, 2014

God is the father and creator of it all regardless of how it came to be on earth.

Mormon Interpreter, "A final advantage of the LDS framework is compelling to me, though others may not find it so. I like the idea of evo-bio mechanisms at least playing some role in the development of creatures that impact us so terribly. I prefer to think that HIV was not concocted in God’s laboratory. I do not like the idea of him crafting the Yersinia pestis that would wipe out at least a third of Europe. The malaria parasite and its mosquito vector were not his magnum opus. I do not think he had it in for the Ichneumonidae‘s dinner. I prefer, rather, to see these as “biologic tsunamis”— natural disasters which telestial natural processes make inevitable in some form. God regrets the suffering they cause, but will (by agreement with us and creation) not prevent them because of the necessities of the telestial state. (God did, however, enter into mortality to suffer all their effects with us and for us [Mosiah 13:28; Alma 7:11–13].)"

http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/endless-forms-most-beautiful-the-uses-and-abuses-of-evolutionary-biology-in-six-works/

thesometimesaint · October 20, 2014

Lets see, impossible things-
1. All matter in the universe started out in an extremely small tight compact ball and then exploded into what we see in our telescopes today.
2. Life can originate on its own from non intelligent processes.
3. All life originated from one single source which itself came from non life substance.
4. Scientists will discover how nature can create life on its own without intelligent input.
5. Evolution from common descent is a fact.
6. debating with evolutionists.

1. The big Bang is well established science.

2. Abiogenesis is well established science.

3. Abiogenesis is well established science.

4. Tautology.

May 14, 1961 - Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith announces to stake conference in Honolulu: JFS wrote:We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen.

5. Evolution through common descent is well established science.

6. Trying to convince religionists of facts.

thesometimesaint · October 20, 2014

Its more than that though. All scientists can do is create scenarios that make the basic ingredients for life. What they cannot do however is create the scenario where viable intelligent information is created. Even the supposed first life form had to have an intelligent design element to it. If the scientists could truly create a natural scenario where nature, on its own could produce intelligent information, then we could debate the what ifs of life. They still cant get over the hurdle of how nature can create intelligent information on its own. The analogy here is that even nature can create pretty much all the elements (ingredients) that make an atomic bomb, but it cannot make the bomb on its own because it lacks the intelligent and purposeful ability to create intelligent information and intelligent processes that create something that has intelligent purpose.

SEE

Arguments from design are logical fallacies. SEE Teleological Argument

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument

Edited October 20, 2014 by thesometimesaint

ERayR · October 20, 2014

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4. Tautology.
May 14, 1961 - Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith announces to stake conference in Honolulu: JFS wrote:We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen.

And what does this have to do with the topic at hand? It is totally irrelevant.

MormonFreeThinker · October 20, 2014

1. The big Bang is well established science.
2. Abiogenesis is well established science.
3. Abiogenesis is well established science.
4. Tautology.
May 14, 1961 - Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith announces to stake conference in Honolulu: JFS wrote:We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen.
5. Evolution through common descent is well established science.
6. Trying to convince religionists of facts.

# 2 Scientists do not understand Abiogenesis, not yet, but I do believe that Abiogenesis was a natural process.

1. Big Bang is well established.

2. Macro-Evolution is very well established science

3. Global Warming is well established science.

Rob Osborn · October 20, 2014

Well established science "fiction". You left off that defining word.

It never ceases to amaze me how these scientists can mak this dtuff up and pass it off as truth..

thesometimesaint · October 21, 2014

Well established science "fiction". You left off that defining word.
It never ceases to amaze me how these scientists can mak this dtuff up and pass it off as truth..

Argumentum Ad Hominem

Yep; those scientists should have just listened to Joseph Fielding Smith, because we shouldn't have gone to the superior moon.

May 14, 1961 - Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith announces to stake conference in Honolulu: We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen.

Edited October 21, 2014 by thesometimesaint

cursor · October 21, 2014

I missed this simple, yet not so simple, topic.

1. Do you believe that scientists will create new life in the lab?

2. If Scientists create life in the Lab, will a spirit get inside it?

The poll is poorly constructed, frankly

When folks who respond to point 1 in the negative, how are they to respond to point 2?

If a new body (of whatever form) is provided life by the "insertion" of a "spirit," and ...

If a new body has no life without a "spirit," then consider:

When a newborn ape is born, that is new life, right?