Jump to content
Seriously No Politics ×

Did God Create All Living Things?

MormonFreeThinker

By MormonFreeThinker
in General Discussions

Did God create all living things including Tuberculosis?   

19 members have voted

  1. 1. Did God create tuberculosis?

    • A) Yes, no Evolution
      4
    • B) Yes, using Evolution
      7
    • C) No, Tuberculosis was created by Evolution alone, no kind of intelligent intervention
      6
    • D) No, it was Satan
      0
    • E) No, Tuberculosis has always existed, it was brought by a meteorite
      0
    • F) Yes, Tuberculosis was good before the Fall
      2

Recommended Posts

thesometimesaint Grand Master

thesometimesaint

Posted
Posted

I dont know how long it took God to create earth. I know it wasnt 6 twenty four hour days. I am not a YEC. The important thing though is that time does count even for God, he just doesnt age.

 

Sure it counts to God, at least according to our beliefs about God. I'm pretty sure what we think about what God thinks isn't necessarily what he thinks. I don't know that that is a correct assumption given that we believe that time is just the logical sequence of events. I would say that God doesn't feel the mortal effects of aging.

mfbukowski Grand Master

mfbukowski

Posted
Posted

I believe God created useful animals and plants using Evolution, but I do not believe God creates evil things or pointless creatures. 

Oh gosh, don't tempt me like that.

The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

Posted
Posted

If time is irrelevant to God then why does it say he created the earth in 6 of his days? He states that obe of his days is equal to a thousand years of our time. If it is irrelevant, why is he counting? The millennium will be the Sabath day.

He did not say that. God did say that time is only measured unto man.

Rob Osborn Grand Master

Rob Osborn

Posted
Posted

I see no reason to accept this.

Then you cannot believe in a whole lot of aspects of the gospel such as the concept of a thousand years being equal to one day to God. Just one of many references to how God reckons time.

thesometimesaint Grand Master

thesometimesaint

Posted
Posted

Then you cannot believe in a whole lot of aspects of the gospel such as the concept of a thousand years being equal to one day to God. Just one of many references to how God reckons time.

 

It was common belief in JS time for a 6000 year old earth.

Archbishop Ussher and his "Annals of the Old Testament, deduced from the first origins of the world, the chronicle of Asiatic and Egyptian matters together produced from the beginning of historical time up to the beginnings of Maccabes")

SEE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

 

JS believed in a 2.5 billion year old earth.

"Well, now, Brother William, when the house of Israel begin to come into the glorious mysteries of the kingdom, and find that Jesus Christ, whose goings forth, as the prophets said, have been from of old, from eternity; and that eternity, agreeably to the records found in the catacombs of Egypt",

SEE http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/08/27/2555000000/

 

They both used the same religious ideas as methodological justification for their individual beliefs. Both were ultimately wrong in their methodology and conclusions but JS was closer.

Rob Osborn Grand Master

Rob Osborn

Posted
Posted

How do you know you have the right "scientific" interpretations?

I dont. But, I feel that my interpretations are logically sound and based on scientific principles. For instance- the law of biogenesis states that life only comes from life and that it does not spontaneously arise like evolutionists think it happened. So, when I read the scriptures and it states that life indeed did come from life preceding it I can go out in nature and apply this and interpret nature in this light, and, its based on scientific principle.

Rob Osborn Grand Master

Rob Osborn

Posted
Posted (edited)

It was common belief in JS time for a 6000 year old earth.

Archbishop Ussher and his "Annals of the Old Testament, deduced from the first origins of the world, the chronicle of Asiatic and Egyptian matters together produced from the beginning of historical time up to the beginnings of Maccabes")

SEE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

 

JS believed in a 2.5 billion year old earth.

"Well, now, Brother William, when the house of Israel begin to come into the glorious mysteries of the kingdom, and find that Jesus Christ, whose goings forth, as the prophets said, have been from of old, from eternity; and that eternity, agreeably to the records found in the catacombs of Egypt",

SEE http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/08/27/2555000000/

 

They both used the same religious ideas as methodological justification for their individual beliefs. Both were ultimately wrong in their methodology and conclusions but JS was closer.

And just how does what you are saying have to do with how time is reckoned with God?

Edited by Rob Osborn
Rob Osborn Grand Master

Rob Osborn

Posted
Posted

Good, but please don't say that the "interpretation" of biologists is not reasonable.

Why not? Some of their interpretations are completely not reasonable. A fact is a fact.

changed Veteran

changed

Posted
Posted (edited)

How is everyone defining the word "create"?  No one here is an ex-Nihler right, so we're really asking "Is God organizing every living thing?"  Different spirits are being catagorized and organized into different realms, so yes, God is organizing and cleaning up a mess He did not ex-Nihilo create. 

Edited by changed
thesometimesaint Grand Master

thesometimesaint

Posted
Posted

And just how does what you are saying have to do with how time is reckoned with God?

 

It doesn't directly address time according to God. What it does show is that what men think about what God thinks is not necessarily what God thinks.

You know the Scripture "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD". IOW Stop putting words into Gods' mouth. :acute:

Rob Osborn Grand Master

Rob Osborn

Posted
Posted

I agree, you vs 99.9% of LDS biologists and the BYU biology department

Well, the BYU biologists certainly do not determine doctrine in our church. I have spoken with several of them over the years and they all realize that what they teach isnt necessarily what the church teaches.

Rob Osborn Grand Master

Rob Osborn

Posted
Posted

It doesn't directly address time according to God. What it does show is that what men think about what God thinks is not necessarily what God thinks.

You know the Scripture "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD". IOW Stop putting words into Gods' mouth. :acute:

The point is that time, as a linear function of events, exists for God. He is not outside of that.

MormonFreeThinker Mentor

MormonFreeThinker

Posted
  • Author
Posted (edited)

Well, the BYU biologists certainly do not determine doctrine in our church. I have spoken with several of them over the years and they all realize that what they teach isnt necessarily what the church teaches.

 

I don't know what group of biologists you been debating for years, but I agree that Evolution is not doctrine of the church. The church does not have an official position.

 

Again, you don't have to agree with their "interpretations", but at least admit that the "interpretation" of biologists is reasonable. 

Edited by MormonFreeThinker
thesometimesaint Grand Master

thesometimesaint

Posted
Posted

The point is that time, as a linear function of events, exists for God. He is not outside of that.

 

As I already said that is just our beliefs about time. The ancient Greeks had no such beliefs. To them time was circular. If the question is about what God thinks of time then we don't know. Time as we know it is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to eternally now beings when the past, present, and future are constantly before them.

 

SEE "The Lord Himself said that He `knoweth all things, for all things are present' before Him. (D&C 38:2.) We read, too, that `all things are present with me, for I know them all.' (Moses 1:6.) Therefore, God's omniscience is not solely a function of prolonged and discerning familiarity with us-but of the stunning reality that the past and present and future are part of an `eternal now' with God! (Joseph Smith, History of the Church 4:597.

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...