JLHPROF Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 And please tell me the special qualifications of prophets to get the science of biology right. SEE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life They don't need them. Biology cannot determine if something has a spirit/soul. And that is the true definition of life.
thesometimesaint Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) They don't need them. Biology cannot determine if something has a spirit/soul. And that is the true definition of life. I'm not one of those 14 fundamentals type folks. Good man that he is, were President Monson were to come at me with a scalpel claiming God gave him a revelation to use it on me. I'd run. Biology doesn't concern itself with any supernatural being or force. No this is not a definition of life. It is the positing of a non-biological claim onto biology. Edited October 1, 2014 by thesometimesaint
cinepro Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) The earth is not living in any real sense of the word. Does water have weight? It has a spirit that can talk, so in what way is it not living? 48 And it came to pass that Enoch looked upon the earth; and he heard a voice from the bowels thereof, saying: Wo, wo is me, the mother of men; I am pained, I am weary, because of the wickedness of my children. When shall I rest, and be cleansed from the filthiness which is gone forth out of me? When will my Creator sanctify me, that I may rest, and righteousness for a season abide upon my face? 49 And when Enoch heard the earth mourn, he wept, and cried unto the Lord, saying: O Lord, wilt thou not have compassion upon the earth? Wilt thou not bless the children of Noah? Edited October 1, 2014 by cinepro
thesometimesaint Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 It has a spirit that can talk, so in what way is it not living? At least snakes and donkey's are living things. Unfortunately for the Bible they don't talk either.
JLHPROF Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 At least snakes and donkey's are living things. Unfortunately for the Bible they don't talk either. Yes, they can. Science just hasn't observed it yet.
thesometimesaint Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Yes, they can. Science just hasn't observed it yet. Reducio ad absurdum
MormonFreeThinker Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Yes, they can. Science just hasn't observed it yet. and a talking Bigfoot exist, Science just hasn't observed it yet. It's time to believe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZd1RlBV5-o
Rob Osborn Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 No truly magical or supernatural entity exists. Logic tells us that. Therefore science can answer the god question.
thesometimesaint Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 No truly magical or supernatural entity exists. Logic tells us that. Therefore science can answer the god question. NO it can't! Supernatural simply means pertaining to God.
Rob Osborn Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 NO it can't! Supernatural simply means pertaining to God.Round and round we go...The context you use it in though means some kind of magical power. Has your science proven the supernatural can exist?Just what I thought. You are merely going off pure conjecture.
thesometimesaint Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Round and round we go...The context you use it in though means some kind of magical power. Has your science proven the supernatural can exist?Just what I thought. You are merely going off pure conjecture. The ONLY sense I've used science is in the non-magical one. IE; God please don't effect my corn crops. I want to see if I'm wasting my money on this fertilizer or not. Science doesn't deal in "proof". It deals in theories that repeated observations/testing have not been able to falsify. Science doesn't address the Supernatural at all. Science is totally Agnostic when it concerns God. Of course the Supernatural can exist. We use science to see if the claims about what the Supernatural produces result in the results as claimed. IE; If I put different colored sticks in the ground will that produce different colored animals?SEE Genesis 30: 25-43Do axeheads float?SEE 2 Kings 6: 4-7 While conjecture has always been a part of science. The premise of science is that our world/universe is more understandable when go beyond mere speculation to establish theories as to how the world/universe works.
Rob Osborn Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 The ONLY sense I've used science is in the non-magical one. IE; God please don't effect my corn crops. I want to see if I'm wasting my money on this fertilizer or not. Science doesn't deal in "proof". It deals in theories that repeated observations/testing have not been able to falsify. Science doesn't address the Supernatural at all. Science is totally Agnostic when it concerns God. Of course the Supernatural can exist. We use science to see if the claims about what the Supernatural produces result in the results as claimed. IE; If I put different colored sticks in the ground will that produce different colored animals?SEE Genesis 30: 25-43Do axeheads float?SEE 2 Kings 6: 4-7 While conjecture has always been a part of science. The premise of science is that our world/universe is more understandable when go beyond mere speculation to establish theories as to how the world/universe works.I dont believe in the supernatural at all. God is not supernatural. God is just like us only he knows far more about the laws of science than we do. We cannot just be ignorant because of our lack of knowing all scientific law and just chalk "god" as magical.
thesometimesaint Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) I dont believe in the supernatural at all. God is not supernatural. God is just like us only he knows far more about the laws of science than we do. We cannot just be ignorant because of our lack of knowing all scientific law and just chalk "god" as magical. Again; the standard dictionary definition of Supernatural means pertaining to God.SEE http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural It wouldn't matter to science if God knows more or less than we do. Science can not posit any God or God like force and still be science. IE; Right now we're looking for the cure(s) for cancers. It is perfectly fine to say that God knows the cure(s). It is not fine to say that we will never know it because it's God making cancer cells to be Irreducibly Complex. Edited October 2, 2014 by thesometimesaint
Rob Osborn Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 Again; the standard dictionary definition of Supernatural means pertaining to God. SEE http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural It wouldn't matter to science if God knows more or less than we do. Science can not posit any God or God like force and still be science. IE; Right now we're looking for the cure(s) for cancers. It is perfectly fine to say that God knows the cure(s). It is not fine to say that we will never know it because it's God making cancer cells to be Irreducibly Complex. Dont take this the wrong way but your ignorance on the matter is what is limiting you. You cannot make up things like "God like force" as if they truly exist but do so outside of science. Who are you to say that God works outside of science? CFR please.
thesometimesaint Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) Dont take this the wrong way but your ignorance on the matter is what is limiting you. You cannot make up things like "God like force" as if they truly exist but do so outside of science. Who are you to say that God works outside of science? CFR please. I'm more than willing to admit that I'm ignorant on a great many things. So I use a dictionary. The dictionary my friend. Supernatural(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature."a supernatural being" Edited October 2, 2014 by thesometimesaint
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