Extending Benefits

[thesometimesaint]

that's largely irrelevant. This proposal give preferential treatment to one group of unmarried couples and not another.

HUH?

[thesometimesaint]

Good point. Let's allow the same-gender couples to marry and then we won't have that dilemma.

The "shacking up" couple is, perhaps, providing beneficial role models?

Since when do we determine receipt of aid by their value, or lack here of, as beneficial role model?

[Saints Alive]

HUH?

The crux of the issue is that unmarried homosexual couples will be given the same rights as married heterosexual couples. Unmarried heterosexual couples will not recieve those rights (namely and presumably, tricare health policies, base, commissary, and exchange privileges) That is a double standard.

[Nathair/|\]

Since when do we determine receipt of aid by their value, or lack here of, as beneficial role model?

Veterans benefits.

[rockpond]

Since when do we determine receipt of aid by their value, or lack here of, as beneficial role model?

I wasn't suggesting that. I was just responding to BCSpace's comment about a shacked up heterosexual couple providing the proper role models.

[rockpond]

The crux of the issue is that unmarried homosexual couples will be given the same rights as married heterosexual couples. Unmarried heterosexual couples will not recieve those rights (namely and presumably, tricare health policies, base, commissary, and exchange privileges) That is a double standard.

Yup... So let the homosexual couples get married and eliminate the double standard.

[The Nehor]

Veterans benefits.

Do we cut off aid to veterans who are misogynists or jerks now?

[thesometimesaint]

Do we cut off aid to veterans who are misogynists or jerks now?

No.

[thesometimesaint]

I wasn't suggesting that. I was just responding to BCSpace's comment about a shacked up heterosexual couple providing the proper role models.

Agreed. A person can be a pretty big jerk and still receive governmental assistance.

[Nathair/|\]

Do we cut off aid to veterans who are misogynists or jerks now?

You're missing my point. The fact that they served honorably is something to look up to. You can't get many benefits if you were dishonorably discharged.

[The Nehor]

You're missing my point. The fact that they served honorably is something to look up to. You can't get many benefits if you were dishonorably discharged.

As much as I appreciate those who have served the idea that everyone who was not dishonorably discharged is a role model is silliness.

[thesometimesaint]

You're missing my point. The fact that they served honorably is something to look up to. You can't get many benefits if you were dishonorably discharged.

A Dishonorable Discharge means NO VA benefits, and many other civilian benefits.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6139124_consequences-dishonorable-discharge-military.html

[Nathair/|\]

As much as I appreciate those who have served the idea that everyone who was not dishonorably discharged is a role model is silliness.

If honorable military service is something to aspire to, then to the extent that they served honorably, they are role models in that respect. If a person must be worthy of emulation in every aspect of their life in order to be a role model in any aspect, there is one person who should be a role model.

[The Nehor]

If honorable military service is something to aspire to, then to the extent that they served honorably, they are role models in that respect. If a person must be worthy of emulation in every aspect of their life in order to be a role model in any aspect, there is one person who should be a role model.

I do not really think it should be aspired to. Some do and inasmuch as they succeed it is an honorable profession. It certainly does not make them a role model just for serving.

[Nathair/|\]

I do not really think it should be aspired to. Some do and inasmuch as they succeed it is an honorable profession. It certainly does not make them a role model just for serving.

I think that being willing to place your body between your loved ones and those who would harm them (had to give up my copy of Heinlein's novel Starship Troopers, so I can't give the exact quote.) or in other words to be willing to "give up {your} life for a friend" is always a trait for any male to aspire to.

[The Nehor]

I think that being willing to place your body between your loved ones and those who would harm them (had to give up my copy of Heinlein's novel Starship Troopers, so I can't give the exact quote.) or in other words to be willing to "give up {your} life for a friend" is always a trait for any male to aspire to.

I agree but only in the vaguest metaphorical sense is that what the military actually does.

[Nathair/|\]

I agree but only in the vaguest metaphorical sense is that what the military actually does.

But it's the ideal that drives most of those who volunteer, at least the ones I know.

[The Nehor]

But it's the ideal that drives most of those who volunteer, at least the ones I know.

I would suggest that your sample is likely not representative.

[thesometimesaint]

Politicians may couch what the military actually does in grand patriotic slogans of national pride, and defeating the enemy Du Jour. But the soldiers know that they are there to protect their buddy next to them.

[Saints Alive]

But the soldiers know that they are there to protect their buddy next to them.

That is certainly important but no, we know thats not why we are there. We are there to complete the mission. In the Army anyway we always place the mission first (even if we don't agree with it).

[thesometimesaint]

That is certainly important but no, we know thats not why we are there. We are there to complete the mission. In the Army anyway we always place the mission first (even if we don't agree with it).

The "mission" is to do as the politicians tell them through the chain of command. Personally I'm in favor of the 1st Federal with the politicians leading the charge.