danielwoods Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I stand corrected. The NET Bible reports it thus...Heb “the waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward and they covered the mountains.” Obviously, a flood of twenty feet did not cover the mountains; the statement must mean the flood rose about twenty feet above the highest mountain." While it states that the waters covered the earth it is important to remember that the earth or eretz was limited primarily by that which was seen and not other continents and locales. Therefore, the earth as Noah knew it was certainly regional.Right that is the theory of the local flood "theory". The interpretation of the passage when it says the "whole Earth" then must mean just where Noah was located, or all the animals "Under the Heavens" again must mean only under the Heavens where Noah was located. I disagree, of course and think that the local theory has issues, mainly with the idea of covering the mountains.
thesometimesaint Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 bcuzbcuz:Didn't you know the Bible is the only science text book we ever need?
Rob Osborn Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.Compare that with the NAS which may be more correct-You covered it with the deep as with a garment; The waters were standing above the mountains. At Your rebuke they fled, 7 At the sound of Your thunder they hurried away. The mountains rose; the valleys sank down 8 To the place which You established for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass over, 9 So that they will not return to cover the earth.
Ron Beron Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.Compare that with the NAS which may be more correct-You covered it with the deep as with a garment; The waters were standing above the mountains. At Your rebuke they fled, 7 At the sound of Your thunder they hurried away. The mountains rose; the valleys sank down 8 To the place which You established for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass over, 9 So that they will not return to cover the earth.I am only assuming that you intend this to be your argument that Ps.104 is in reference to the Flood? Unfortunately, it probably isn't unique to David. In fact, it borrows from Ugarit myths and allegories and might be a direct borrow from the Egyptian "Hymn to the Aton". The Interpreters Bible includes this...The theme of the poem, the creation and control of nature by a supernatural power, is one that has inspired writers in various cultures, and the basic natural phenomena being what they are, there is some similarity in the way the subject is handled in the literatures of the ancient Near East. But the Gentile hymn that comes closest to Ps. 104:1 is the Egyptian "Hymn to the Aton" (the sun disk as the source of life), which dates from the time of Akhenaton (1380-1362 B.C.), a ruler best known for his monotheistic interests. Indeed, the resemblance in places is so striking that it has been argued that our psalmist must have had some knowledge of the Egyptian poem, which may have come into Palestine by way of Phoenicia. The most apposite lines of the Egyptian hymn, as translated by John A. Wilson (in J. B. Pritchard, ed., Ancient Near Eastern Texts Relating to the Old Testament [Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1950], pp. 370-71, reprinted here by permission), are as follows:When thou settest in the western horizon,The land is in darkness, in the manner of death.Every lion is come forth from his den [cf. 104:20-21].At daybreak, when thou arisest on the horizon,. . . . . . . . . . . ....All the world, they do their work [cf. 104:22-23].How manifold it is, what thou hast made!. . . . . . . . . . . ....Thou didst create the world according to thy desire [cf. 104:24].The ships are sailing north and south as well,. . . . . . . . . . . ....The fish in the river dart before thy face;Thy rays are in the midst of the great green sea [cf. 104:25-26].Thou suppliest their necessities:Everyone has his food, and his time of life is reckoned [cf. 104:27].When thou hast risen, they live,When thou settest they die.. . . . . . . . . . . ....For one lives (only) through thee [cf. 104:29-30].The parallels between the two hymns may be due, as has been claimed, to some acquaintance on the part of our psalmist with the Egyptian poem, although it is strange that he did not utilize other parts of the hymn which would have served his purpose equally well. It is, however, possible to hold that the resemblances between them can be accounted for by their common monotheistic approach to the world of nature. The differences between the poems are actually more notable than the similarities, not the least of the former being that in the Egyptian hymn the sun is the creator, whereas in the Hebrew psalm the sun is but a part of the handiwork of the Lord.Apparently no connection to the flood epic.
Rob Osborn Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) Ron,You can find whatever commentator argument you want some in favor of the flood and some in favor of the creation. Take it for what you will but there is no dispute that the scriptures mentioned have the earth under water and then emerging from the water. So yes, the earth was globally flooded. The key part is that it mentions them (the flood waters) not "returning" or coming "again" to flood the earth because he set a boundary by making the mountains rise and the valleys to sink at that time. There is no dispute that the major mountain chains of the earth are made of water laid layers of strata that were then uplifted thousands of feet. Edited August 10, 2012 by Rob Osborn
Ron Beron Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Ron,You can find whatever commentator argument you want some in favor of the flood and some in favor of the creation. Take it for what you will but there is no dispute that the scriptures mentioned have the earth under water and then emerging from the water. So yes, the earth was globally flooded. The key part is that it mentions them (the flood waters) not "returning" or coming "again" to flood the earth because he set a boundary by making the mountains rise and the valleys to sink at that time. There is no dispute that the major mountain chains of the earth are made of water laid layers of strata that were then uplifted thousands of feet.It's not the commentator that is important, but the facts behind it. Psalms 104 is from a previous Egyptian prayer that has been conflated into the psalm. It is not about Noah's flood, but the beginning and organizing the world. In short, the story of Noah is probably a series of events and people which came together much later into one story that was used as an allegorical parable for people to understand God's power.
Rob Osborn Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 It's not the commentator that is important, but the facts behind it. Psalms 104 is from a previous Egyptian prayer that has been conflated into the psalm. It is not about Noah's flood, but the beginning and organizing the world. In short, the story of Noah is probably a series of events and people which came together much later into one story that was used as an allegorical parable for people to understand God's power.I highly doubt that.
mfbukowski Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.Compare that with the NAS which may be more correct-You covered it with the deep as with a garment; The waters were standing above the mountains. At Your rebuke they fled, 7 At the sound of Your thunder they hurried away. The mountains rose; the valleys sank down 8 To the place which You established for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass over, 9 So that they will not return to cover the earth.What light through yonder window breaks?'Tis Juliette and she is the sun!Yesserree that was one HOT mama!
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