Does Anyone Know What Y-Haplogroup The Prophet Joseph Smith Belonged To

[Mehrdad]

I am lead to believe that the Prophet Joseph Smith was a direct descendant of the house of Joseph. It would answer a lot as to what the Haplogroup the house of Joseph belonged to. There's a high concentration of Y-R1 Haplogroup found among some native american tribes, which is also found in Europe and the middle east. Some people are arguing that this is due to european influence in the native tribes, but having high concentrations in some areas has led some geneticists to believe that it could possibly be pre-columbian.

So if anyone can lead me in the right direction as to what Y-Haplogroup the Prophet belonged to, I will be forever grateful.

[Okrahomer]

Does this help:

http://www.fairlds.org/fair-conferences/2008-fair-conference/2008-joseph-smith-dna-revealed-new-clues-from-the-prophets-genes

I am not sure how to post a link here when im using my iPad, so here is a short newspaper article about it as well:

Irish roots of Mormon founder Joseph Smith discovered

New DNA evidence shows match

ByGERRY BAILEY,IrishCentral.com Staff Writer

Published Monday, August 9, 2010, 7:21 AMUpdated Monday, August 9, 2010, 7:49 AM

Mormon prophet Joseph Smith Jr.,was definitely descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, an Irish chieftain of the fifth century, Ugo Perego, a senior DNA researcher at Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation has discovered.

The finding could have impact for Irish tourism as Mormons may want to visit the new ancestral land of their religion’s founder.

 Recent DNA tests show that the Irish  connection is even more certain for the founder of Mormonism and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The Short Tandem Repeat  (STR) profile is a key element in DNA matching  a person's Y chromosome. The closer two people's STR values align the more likely they are connected.

"We know exactly what the Joseph Smith and Smith family Y chromosome STR profile looks like," Perego said. "As accurate as if I had Joseph Smith next to me and I would get a swab from him. It's not guesswork."

The 24 values of the Smith family STR profile matched best with the STR profile of Niall of the Nine Hostages a major figure in Irish genealogy who had fourteen sons.

Perego compared 43 STR values between Joseph Smith and Niall of the Nine Hostages and the Irish connection directly matched.

"So why is Joseph Smith more Irish?" Perego said. "We have more STR data available for Joseph Smith. We have more STR data available for Niall of the Nine Hostages. And the number of STR values matching has also increased. . . . A stronger connection. A more sure family relation."

Y chromosome research follows the line back from son to father to grandfather and so on. It doesn't tell the whole DNA story. It is just one branch of the family tree — but Y chromosome analysis does follow the surname, usually making it easy to match up with genealogical records.

Michael Kennedy is a direct descendant and president of the Joseph Smith Jr. Family Organization, said the Irish family connection is just beginning to be known among family members and that it has caused considerable excitement.

[Mehrdad]

Thank you Okrahomer, this would mean that his Y

Haplogroup is R1b1c7. Now this increases my curiosity, because I know that most of those Native American R1 samples are predominately R1b, especially the tribes around the great lakes region. Some are arguing saying that it is current, and probably from the French coureurs du bois, I think some might be, but to have that much concentration it astounding.

I am not saying that this is the missing Nephite marker, but since mtDNA X is also found in its vicinity, I am tempted to say that it could be the Nephite marker. However the R1b found in the Native American population will have to correlate with R1b found in the middle east, but SNP mutations occur at rapid rates which is something we have to take into consideration.

[Okrahomer]

Thank you Okrahomer, this would mean that his Y

Haplogroup is R1b1c7.

Dr. Perego indicates a slightly different haplogroup for the Prophet:

We have two pieces of evidence now: the haplotype matches and the SNP data that confirmed the sub-branch within R1b (called R1b1b2a2e)12 with the highest frequency in northwest Ireland.

And then in the footnote:

12 Now called R1b1b2a1a2f2. See http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR09.html (accessed August 2009).

[ERayR]

It might also be profitable to correlate Lombard DNA to the Irish connection.

[Mehrdad]

It might also be profitable to correlate Lombard DNA to the Irish connection.

Interesting, I found an interesting article about that on eupedia.

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?26757-Lombard-DNA-in-Italy

[Mehrdad]

Dr. Perego indicates a slightly different haplogroup for the Prophet:

We have two pieces of evidence now: the haplotype matches and the SNP data that confirmed the sub-branch within R1b (called R1b1b2a2e)12 with the highest frequency in northwest Ireland.

And then in the footnote:

12 Now called R1b1b2a1a2f2. See http://www.isogg.org..._HapgrpR09.html (accessed August 2009).

That is what I love about R1b, it has lots of SNPs, unlike my own group R1a, we hardly have anything going for us. Anyways, I am now very much interested in getting SNP results for those Native American with Haplogroup R1b, if we can find a correlation with those found in the middle east we might be onto something. Anyone know of any published SNP results for R1b in Native Americans?

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#R1b

[Calm]

Isn't there an issue with timing as well as type? Or am I misunderstanding what you are attempting to do?

[Mehrdad]

Isn't there an issue with timing as well as type? Or am I misunderstanding what you are attempting to do?

You have a good point, however geneticists are able to pin point the date when each mutation occurred, so if we find that indeed that R1b in the Native Americans are pre-Colombian, we should be able to use SNPs to find out where they originated from and at what time period.

[Mehrdad]

I know that the Prophet Joseph Smith was not adopted into the house of Israel but he is a direct descendant of Joseph who was sold into Egypt. Now using this information we can correlate the Prophets Y-DNA to "possibly" acertain the Nephite Y-Marker.

I just find it hard to believe that over the centuries the Y makrer of Lehi dissapeared from the American continent, we see that mtDNA X is present, which is also found in the middle east, however for the Y marker to completely dissapear is beyond me. I mean it could be starring us in the face all along and we missed it, because many have simply written it off as being the European/Celtic Y Haplogroup from the early European settlers who mingled with the native tribes.

I may be wrong, and I am pretty skeptical of this theory, I know this is far fetched, it's just a theory I am going with at the moment.

[KevinG]

"Mormon prophet Joseph Smith Jr.,was definitely descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, an Irish chieftain of the fifth century"

Cool - so am I through the spouses of my Scots Irish family that was in Ireland between their time in Scotland and the Americas.

[Mehrdad]

I thought I'd post what I found on haplogroup R1 in the ancient Americas from an anthropological blog.

http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.com/2012/03/roots-of-american-r1-y-dna.html