Tapirs As Horses

[shalamabobbi]

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llama trivia

Not sure where you were going with llamas Jeff, but they are closely related to camels.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/136134-joy-for-world-s-first-camel-and-llama-cross

http://taylorllamas.com/Camel-LamaCrossPhotos.html

[LeSellers]

Not sure where you were going with llamas Jeff, but they are closely related to camels.

I, too, am a bit unsure, but it is interesting to see Indians using llamas as beasts of burden, as draft animals, and as riding animals.

The Nephites would have known about camels, at least historically, because they rode them out of Jerusalem 400 years before. But, in the intervening centuries, they may have conflated "horse" and camel" so as to make the terms, if not the animals, one.

Llamas, are, however, still "unclean", so they would not have been food animals in any case.

Lehi

Edited August 25, 2011 by LeSellers

[Benjamin McGuire]

Here is a simple exercise for CDowis and Kevin ... this is a short paragraph from a book title Il Milione. It is in Italian. Would you please translate the following two short paragraphs for us.

Paragraph 1:

Quando l'uomo à passate queste 2 giornate, l'uomo truova una provincia verso mezzodie, ed è a le confini de l'India, ch'è chiamata Amien. Poscia va l'uomo 15 giornate per luogo disabitato (e) sozzo, ov'à molte selve e boschi, ov'à leofanti e lunicorni assai e altre diverse bestie assai; uomini né abitagioni non v'à.

Paragraph 2:

Lo reame de Basman, ch'è a l'uscita del Ferlet, è reame per sé e (ànno) loro linguaggio; ma elli no ànno neuna legge, se non come bestie. Elli si richiamano per lo Grande Kane, ma no li fanno neun trebuto, perché son sí a la lunga che la gente del Grande Kane non vi potrebbe andare, ma 'lcuna volta lo presentano d'alcuna strana cosa. Elli ànno leofanti assai salvatichi e unicorni, che no son guari minori d'elefanti; e' son di pelo bufali, i piedi come di lefanti; nel mezzo de la fronte ànno un corno grosso e nero. E dicovi che no fanno male co quel corno, ma co la lingua, che l'ànno spinosa tutta quanta di spine molto grandi; lo capo ànno come di cinghiaro, la testa porta tuttavia inchinata ve®so la terra: sta molto volentieri tra li buoi. Ell'è molto laida bestia, né non è, come si dice di qua, ch'ella si lasci prendere a la pulcella, ma è 'l contradio. Egli ànno scimie assai e di diverse fatte; egli ànno falconi neri buoni da ucellare.

It is a few hundred years old, and the language a bit archaic, but, that shouldn't be a huge problem ....

Ben M.

[Benjamin McGuire]

Deleting duplicate.

Edited August 25, 2011 by Benjamin McGuire

[LeSellers]

Pardon if I'm stepping in something, as I am neither Charles nor Kevin.

Here is a simple exercise for CDowis and Kevin ... this is a short paragraph from a book title Il Milione. It is in Italian. Would you please translate the following two short paragraphs for us.

Quando l'uomo à passate queste 2 giornate, l'uomo truova una provincia verso mezzodie, ed è a le confini de l'India, ch'è chiamata Amien. Poscia va l'uomo 15 giornate per luogo disabitato (e) sozzo, ov'à molte selve e boschi, ov'à leofanti e lunicorni assai e altre diverse bestie assai; uomini né abitagioni non v'à.

When the man had spent those two days, he found a place in the south that was in the confines (region) of India (but possibly "of the Indians"), that was called Amien. He then travelled fifteen days in an uninhabited (and something I don't recognize) area, through many forests and woods ("selve" connotes a possibly dangerous wilderness with trees, "boschi" are more open and "tamer"), where there were many elephants (I'm assuming a misspelling here, "leofanti" is meaningless to me) and many unicorns and many other beasts; no men lived there.

I'll try the second one later.

Lehi

Edited August 25, 2011 by LeSellers

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Interesting, Ben. I hope Kevin offers a translation.

[Rivers]

If Tapirs could be used as plow animals, or cart pulling animals, etc., wouldn't they still be used that way today? There are a lot of poor areas in south america and central america where this would be a more affordable alternative to horses or motor vehicles. Why wouldn't we still see tapirs harnessed and working for man?

The text of the Book of Mormon indicates that horses/tapirs were used for food more than anything.

[LeSellers]

As no one has objected, here goes part two.

Here is a simple exercise for CDowis and Kevin ... this is a short paragraph from a book title Il Milione. It is in Italian. Would you please translate the following two short paragraphs for us.

Lo reame de Basman, ch'è a l'uscita del Ferlet, è reame per sé e (ànno) loro linguaggio; ma elli no ànno neuna legge, se non come bestie. Elli si richiamano per lo Grande Kane, ma no li fanno neun trebuto, perché son sí a la lunga che la gente del Grande Kane non vi potrebbe andare, ma 'lcuna volta lo presentano d'alcuna strana cosa. Elli ànno leofanti assai salvatichi e unicorni, che no son guari minori d'elefanti; e' son di pelo bufali, i piedi come di lefanti; nel mezzo de la fronte ànno un corno grosso e nero. E dicovi che no fanno male co quel corno, ma co la lingua, che l'ànno spinosa tutta quanta di spine molto grandi; lo capo ànno come di cinghiaro, la testa porta tuttavia inchinata verso la terra: sta molto volentieri tra li buoi. Ell'è molto laida bestia, né non è, come si dice di qua, ch'ella si lasci prendere a la pulcella, ma è 'l contradio. Egli ànno scimie assai e di diverse fatte; egli ànno falconi neri buoni da ucellare.

The realm (kingdom) of Basman, at the opening (mouth?) of the [river?] Ferlet, is their realm and for those of their language, but they do not have any laws except as beasts (do). They (call unto themselves or call themselves by the name of) the Great Kane, but they do not make him any tribute, because they are so far from the people of the Great Kane that they can’t come where they are. But sometimes they give him something strange. They have very savage elephants (odd spelling again) and unicorns which are not small elephants and have the skin of buffaloes and the feet of elephants; in the middle of the forehead they have a large, black horn. And I tell you that they don’t harm anything with this horn, but with the tongue, which has large, horny spines, like the head of (some animal called a cinghiaro), it always carries its head bowed to the earth: which it often puts willingly in the mud. It is a very ugly animal. But it is not, as some might say of it, that it prefers maidens but the contrary. They have many more [animals of some sort] and diverse (facts?); they have good, black falcons as birds.

Sorry not all of it makes much sense, but I don't have any cultural information to make it work any better.

It is a few hundred years old, and the language a bit archaic, but, that shouldn't be a huge problem ....

Oh yeah?! It was a really big problem. My Italian is self-taught, and my library didn't have the forms of most of the verbs, nouns, and adjectives.

That said, I am fairly confident of what I have done. I've noted where I had serious issues. I know I have made mistakes, but they are due to the weakness of man.

Lehi

Edited August 26, 2011 by LeSellers

[Calm]

Sorry not all of it makes much sense, but I don't have any cultural information to make it work any better.

Interesting observation.

[Benjamin McGuire]

leofanti is not a misspelling. As i said, it's just a bit archaic.

[LeSellers]

leofanti is not a misspelling. As i said, it's just a bit archaic.

You did. It is still not something anyone is going to find in a readily available Italo-Anglo dictionary.

And, not a word of thanks for the effort. I'll keep that in mind.

Lehi