kolipoki09 Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I make no apology for the fact that I'm not a fan of Bill Maher. I understand why some might enjoy his perspective, but I wasn't surprised when Maher launched this latest diatribe on the August 3 segment of The Ed Show on MSNBC: "Once America, which is a very Christian nation, finds that out... they will not be very fond of Mitt Romney." Anchor: But, if Mitt Romney is the [GOP] front-runner, do you think Republicans - the base that is - are ever really truly going to place their faith in a guy who's a Mormon?Maher: No! That's where it's going to be so interesting. When Rick Perry - in sly and under-handed and no fingerprints methods - starts putting out the idea, which is a true idea by the way, that Mormons are not really Christians. You know, once America, which is a very Christian nation - finds that out, I think they'll have - certainly in the evangelical part of the country, those folks, they will not be very fond of Mitt Romney. Maher: Once they find out that Jesus Christ...is like third in the hierarchy - that it really was about Joseph Smith...Anchor: Mmm hmm...(nodding in agreement) Maher: Actually, Mormonism is closer to Islam, because in Islam Jesus is also a revered figure - he's a wonderful prophet - he's just not the ultimate prophet. You know, he's like the middle act. He's certainly not the headliner...Anchor: Mmm hmm...(nodding in agreement)Maher: And when they find out that about the Mormons, I don't think they're going to like it. And of course, then Mitt Romney will play the 'how dare you denigrate my faith' card. Oh, I can't wait!
bluebell Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Maher is one of those people who don't know what they don't know. Socrates would have had fun with him.His show should be called 'Delusional Time with Bill Maher'.
emeliza Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 It is so odd sometimes what you hear about us. I do wonder though, if Jesus is third, what the exact order Mr. Maher thinks it is that we worship.
frankenstein Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 both Bill's are dolts in their own right, and if either one can contribute to Romney not being elected, I think I will strive with endurance to turn the other cheek to such willfully ignorant statements of theirs concerning the LDS Faith. but yes, maher, obviously does not know much about the LDS Faith.
bluebell Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 both Bill's are dolts in their own right, and if either own can contribute to Romney not being elected, I think I will strive with endurance to turn the other cheek to such willfully ignorant statements of theirs concerning the LDS Faith. The end justifies the means?
Jeff K. Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 So if the ends justify the means then you would be ok with the assassination of Romney and his family in order to halt his election? Do you understand what "the ends justify the means" includes?
Mordecai Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Wow. Don't get me started on "the ends justify the means." The central ethical problem with that philosophy is that it's based on the belief that humans ought to be manipulated like objects. That, in itself, makes you an evil person. What's more, if you do evil, there's a good chance the ends will be evil; how will you feel then? After all, only being human, you can't predict nor control outcomes so much as you can only control your own actions. It's better to follow the basic principles of righteousness that you would hope others follow in their treatment of you and your political movements, or you open the door to that for the rest of society, too. If you are part of a movement that embraces lawlessness to achieve your ends, you will have a government and a society of lawlessness. As Jesus said, "A good tree brings forth good fruit." I'd rather be part of the good tree, personally. If people love evil, your society is doomed anyway. There's no point in embracing ANY ends-justify-the-means type movements, in my view.
KevinG Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 This is part of a broader effort on the part of the White House and their supporters to destroy Romney's image. Fox was reporting on it today. Don't be surprised to hear stories about "weird" beliefs coming your way soon. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60921.html (Warning policitcal link)
frankenstein Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 So if the ends justify the means then you would be ok with the assassination of Romney and his family in order to halt his election? Do you understand what "the ends justify the means" includes?i understand that several people on this board, to include yourself, have not even a manusha of a problem with distorting facts or misleading others to garner support for a cause; so why not join that crowd that supports the concept of distortion, misrepresentation and so forth to further a cause. and given the "ends" which I would like to see, I am willing to deal with the "means" used by Bill Maher---------------------and before any of you start getting all high and mighty, shall we discuss the "ends" and "means" of LDS scriptures?
Jeff K. Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Sigh, no, I do not believe the ends justify the means. I wouldn't force a person of a different point of view to lose their jobs, nor would I destroy them or hurt their family. The crowd you seem to gleefully join isn't mine. I have an ethical standard I try to live by, it says to me that some means cannot be acceptable. All you seem to reflect is the typical bitterness of those who deny Christ. I feel sorry for them because they will never be happy, no matter what they gain through their actions.
bluebell Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 yes.I didn't mean to bring the crusade that you and other posters have had going for months now into this thread. I just thought it was interesting that you were alright with someone misrepresenting your religion as long as it gave you a political advantage.
frankenstein Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 I didn't mean to bring the crusade that you and other posters have had going for months now into this thread. I just thought it was interesting that you were alright with someone misrepresenting your religion as long as it gave you a political advantage.i did not want the crusade to raise its head again either. and yes, I am willing to endure a few things, and use those oppurtunities to present the truth of the LDS religion, if doing such contributes to Romney not being elected president of the United States. perhaps though Maher's statements were calculated to raise the spectre of a "religious zealot" being elected, that is, Maher intends the scare the people in the middle away from a republican because the republicans would want a chiristian conservative zealot. not sure that I will be voted in the next election any way. faced with a dirt sandwich or drinking acid....I think I would choose none of the above.
altersteve Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 but yes, maher, obviously does not know much about the LDS Faith.No critic of the Church (and of religion in general) knows much about it at all.
Jeff K. Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 perhaps though Maher's statements were calculated to raise the spectre of a "religious zealot" being elected, that is, Maher intends the scare the people in the middle away from a republican because the republicans would want a chiristian conservative zealot. The irony is that Maher is using the exact same tactics the nationalist socialist used in Germany by falsely demonizing a group and their religion. What were the "Protocols of Zion" but false doctrine spread about the Jews" in order to isolate them from the "mainstream" community.
blackstrap Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Bill Maher could use a couple of courses in anatomy and geology,so he could tell his butt from a hole in the ground!
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