No Forgiveness For Murderers, And David'S Throne To Be Given To Another David?

[inquiringmind]

Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage.Section Six 1843-44, p.339

Peter referred to the same subject on the day of Pentecost, but the multitude did not get the endowment that Peter had; but several days after, the people asked, "What shall we do?" Peter says, "I would ye had done it ignorantly," speaking of crucifying the Lord &c. He did not say to them, "Repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins"; but he said, "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the lord." (Acts 3:19.)

Section Six 1843-44, p.339

This is the case with murderers. They could not be baptized for the remission of sins, for they had shed innocent blood.

Section Six 1843-44, p.340

http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T6.html

[rodheadlee]

I couldn't say about David's situation but I just read this tonite:

Alma 24:

10 And I also thank my God, yea, my great God, that he hath granted unto us that we might repent of these things, and also that he hath forgiven us of those our many sins and murders which we have committed, and taken away the guilt from our hearts, through the merits of his Son.

11 And now behold, my brethren, since it has been all that we could do, (as we were the most lost of all mankind) to repent of all our sins and the many murders which we have committed, and to get God to take them away from our hearts, for it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain—

12 Now, my best beloved brethren, since God hath taken away our stains, and our swords have become bright, then let us stain our swords no more with the blood of our brethren.

So, It seems you can be forgiven of murder.

[inquiringmind]

But didn't Joseph say murderers couldn't be forgiven, and that the ordinance of baptism wasn't to be given to them?

[Glenn101]

I couldn't say about David's situation but I just read this tonite:

Alma 24:

10 And I also thank my God, yea, my great God, that he hath granted unto us that we might repent of these things, and also that he hath forgiven us of those our many sins and murders which we have committed, and taken away the guilt from our hearts, through the merits of his Son.

11 And now behold, my brethren, since it has been all that we could do, (as we were the most lost of all mankind) to repent of all our sins and the many murders which we have committed, and to get God to take them away from our hearts, for it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain—

12 Now, my best beloved brethren, since God hath taken away our stains, and our swords have become bright, then let us stain our swords no more with the blood of our brethren.

So, It seems you can be forgiven of murder.

It depends on the circumstance.

2 Nephi 9:25 Wherefore, he has given a law; and where there is no law given there is no punishment; and where there is no punishment there is no condemnation; and where there is no condemnation the mercies of the Holy One of Israel have claim upon them, because of the atonement; for they are delivered by the power of him.

The Lamanites had been living for decades under a patriarchal law where fathers had absolute control over their families, and kings had absolute control over their subjects. They had no understanding of the Mosaic law, but were evidently living a very corrupted version. Remember the "avenger of blood" spoken of in Deuteronomy and Joshua? The "an eye for an eye" spoken of in Leviticus. This seems to have been carried out with a vengeance among the Lamanites. Once the Anti-Nephi-Lehies became converted and realized how wrong they had been, they were anguished in their souls because of their former transgressions, in spite of the fact that they were living the law as they had been taught it.

Now, a person that is raised in a Christian society and understands what murder is, they probably will be judged as one who has received the law.

Just my two cents worth.

Glenn