Nathair/|\ Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 Fairly easily, since all Christians, regardless of tradition and liturgy, accept the truths of the Nicene Creed and the ecumenical councils of the church. Mormonism, not being Christian, rejects these historic statements of faith and, in fact, calls them an abomination."All Christians?" Does that include, say Linus, Cletus, Clement, Paul, Peter, Moses, Adam, Abraham, etc?
mtomm Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 I'm guessing the King's Servant has not actually read the article at StayLDS because his response does not reflect the fact that it has nothing to do with reconciling the LDS faith with other Christian faiths.
The King's Servant Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 I'm guessing the King's Servant has not actually read the article at StayLDS because his response does not reflect the fact that it has nothing to do with reconciling the LDS faith with other Christian faiths.You mean that you don't think I read about how to rationalize away any doubts one might have regarding Mormonism. I read it. I was responding to Jeff's post above.
Jeff K. Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 Nicene Creed? Which meeting? All of them? You accept then that a pagan emperor can dictate the beliefs of a Christian people? Interesting. I have always found the source, being Christ, to be a much better arbiter. But I leave you to your own devices and rationalizations.
The King's Servant Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 Nicene Creed? Which meeting? All of them? You accept then that a pagan emperor can dictate the beliefs of a Christian people? Interesting. I have always found the source, being Christ, to be a much better arbiter. But I leave you to your own devices and rationalizations.You know, Jeff, if you actually knew your history instead of believing all the false information you've been spoon-fed, you would be aware that the Roman Emperor favored the Arians, but those who supported Athanasius finally overcame that heresy. Constantine was certainly no ally of poor Athanasius, but God was. The Nicene Councils were called to combat various heresies which had raised their ugly heads in the beginning of the Church and the creedal forumla was developed, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to combat those errors. Sorry, Jeff, you really need to study history, not pretend to know it.
Libs Posted April 14, 2011 Author Posted April 14, 2011 I have no idea how you can reconcile the concept of God in Mormonoism, with the non-contingent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent deity of Christianity.Never said I was trying to do that.I said I embraced what was good and disgarded the rest. There is much that is good in the LDS Church. Good morals, good family values, etc.
Jeff K. Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 King....Are you stating that the Emperor Constantine was a Christian when he presided over the council? As the "Pontifex Maximus", you should be grateful that someone who presides over the council dictating your doctrine is a high priest for a pagan religion. It becomes so all inclusive then eh?
The King's Servant Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 Never said I was trying to do that.I said I embraced what was good and disgarded the rest. There is much that is good in the LDS Church. Good morals, good family values, etc.And those are not found within Christianity?
consiglieri Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 You know, Jeff, if you actually knew your history instead of believing all the false information you've been spoon-fed, . . . Sorry, Jeff, you really need to study history, not pretend to know it.I post briefly to mention that TKS is not a sockpuppet of mine created in order to let Jeff know what it feels like to be me.Please continue.All the Best!--Consiglieri
Libs Posted April 14, 2011 Author Posted April 14, 2011 And those are not found within Christianity????Of course.
SilverKnight Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 You mean that you don't think I read about how to rationalize away any doubts one might have regarding Mormonism. I read it. I was responding to Jeff's post above.You rationalize away doubts in mormonism in the same way as you might in your own faith - by allowing unpleasant actions of former leaders to become the mistakes of uninspired men, allowing repugnant doctrines to become the personal opinions of those men, and allowing scripture to become mythical stories that teach lessons but never really happened.Are you trying to say this "middle path" of rationalization doesn't exist in Catholicism?
Libs Posted April 14, 2011 Author Posted April 14, 2011 I agree with your characterization of the "middle way", Silver Knight, and it does, indeed, exist in all religions.
Libs Posted April 14, 2011 Author Posted April 14, 2011 I don't think TKW is Catholic, though? (unless I am mistaken about who she is)
SilverKnight Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 I don't think TKW is Catholic, though? (unless I am mistaken about who she is)I may be getting TKS confused with a different catholic poster.In any case, the 'middle path' exists in all religions as a way to keep some belief while rejecting the things that cause discomfort.
consiglieri Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 In any case, the 'middle path' exists in all religions as a way to keep some belief while rejecting the things that cause discomfort.Like JeffK?
Jeff K. Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 I post briefly to mention that TKS is not a sockpuppet of mine created in order to let Jeff know what it feels like to be me.Please continue.All the Best!--ConsiglieriI wouldn't think you would sink so low Consig, I hold you in higher esteem, even when I disagre with you.By the way, Kings Servant has not demonstrated he knows his history very well at all....
Jeff K. Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 Like JeffK?Does the truth cause discomfort? Or does pride stop us from knowing the truth, and does the discomfort lie therein?
consiglieri Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 Come on, consig...It's the whimsy in me . . .
consiglieri Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 Does the truth cause discomfort? Or does pride stop us from knowing the truth, and does the discomfort lie therein?Okay. I just stopped being sorry.
SilverKnight Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 Like JeffK?And Will S.BTW I noticed our eager young JeffK/Droopy/RobOsborn-in-training, LDSguy1986, got banned.How did this happen?
consiglieri Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 How did this happen?I'm not certain.It's a shame, really. He was coming along so nicely.
WalkerW Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 You know, Jeff, if you actually knew your history instead of believing all the false information you've been spoon-fed, you would be aware that the Roman Emperor favored the Arians, but those who supported Athanasius finally overcame that heresy. Constantine was certainly no ally of poor Athanasius, but God was. The Nicene Councils were called to combat various heresies which had raised their ugly heads in the beginning of the Church and the creedal forumla was developed, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to combat those errors. Sorry, Jeff, you really need to study history, not pretend to know it.I study history. I study it quite a bit, actually. And I'm pretty sure the Trinity of the 4th century has little to do with the Logos theology of the 1st and 2nd centuries. See Daniel Boyarin, Border Lines: The Partition of Judaeo-Christianity (University of Pennsylvania Press, 2004).
consiglieri Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 I study history. I study it quite a bit, actually. And I'm pretty sure the Trinity of the 4th century has little to do with the Logos theology of the 1st and 2nd centuries. See Daniel Boyarin, Border Lines: The Partition of Judaeo-Christianity (University of Pennsylvania Press, 2004).I think the marshall has just entered the saloon . . .
WalkerW Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 I think the marshall has just entered the saloon . . .They call me...Rango.
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