Progression between Kingdoms

[Rob Osborn]

Not so. Those who don't accept the Atonement will do their own suffering. Even those who accept the Atonement will still have to suffer but they will not suffer as Christ. Dallin Oaks gives a talk on this Sin and suffering

He makes this point:

Sons of Perdition are not included in these verses in section 19. We read about their punishment in section 76:

Christ describes the depth of his suffering. No one knows the depth of the suffering of the Sons of Perdition. The point that is made in section 19 is that this suffering for the non-repentant though severe does not last whereas the suffering of Perdition is described "...to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment

[Deborah]

All these verses confirm that section 19 is dealing specifically with the sons of perdition who get cast into the second death after resurrection and judgment.

I totally disagree with this. Nowhere does it indicate this is referring to Perdition. The Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual refers to the "End of the World" as the end of unrighteousness or of worldliness when our world ends and the millennial era begins and there is a new heaven and a new earth. That is when the suffering takes place when one hasn't accepted the Atonement of Christ. There will be a thousand years for those who are unrighteous to repent and finally accept Jesus Christ. You apparently didn't read Br. Oaks's talk.

The scriptures so clearly describe the degrees of glory and what is required for each that I don't know why we dispute that it is otherwise. Nothing could be clearer than D&C 76:

109But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore;

110And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever;

111For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared;

112And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end.

[Rob Osborn]

I totally disagree with this. Nowhere does it indicate this is referring to Perdition. The Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual refers to the "End of the World" as the end of unrighteousness or of worldliness when our world ends and the millennial era begins and there is a new heaven and a new earth. That is when the suffering takes place when one hasn't accepted the Atonement of Christ. There will be a thousand years for those who are unrighteous to repent and finally accept Jesus Christ. You apparently didn't read Br. Oaks's talk.

The scriptures so clearly describe the degrees of glory and what is required for each that I don't know why we dispute that it is otherwise. Nothing could be clearer than D&C 76:

Regardless of what the student manual says this way or that, the ultimate truth lies in the verses themselves.

You will note that the separation happens at this time (after the millennium) and that it refers to the ones found on "the left hand of god". This is so important here. Re-read this verse because it specifically gives the timing of this separation of who is on the right hand and who is on the left hand-

26 But, behold, verily I say unto you, before the earth shall pass away, Michael, mine archangel, shall sound his trump, and then shall all the dead awake, for their graves shall be opened, and they shall come forth