LDS Guy 1986 Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Sorry I didn't take the time to post articles on what I considered to be a rather commonly accepted knowledge. But here are some articles on the beneficial affects of moderate alcohol consumption:Mayo Clinic articleAmerican Dietetic AssociationAlcohol and HealthHealth Benefits of AlcoholThose links are from a three minute search on the internet....many more can be provided if you have further doubts that I can produce articles claiming the health benefits of moderate alcohol consumption.It is true that alcohol burns cholesterol when is processed by the liver, but alcohol is not safe or good for you. Even moderate consumption of alcohol is bad for your liver and has long term effects on your circulatory system. Any benefit from reduced cholesterol is removed from the liver damage and circulatory damage from drinking alcohol. You will never see any serious medical doctor tell you to drink alcohol to keep your heart healthy. Also note that all this research is passive statistical studies only, there numbers do not prove cause or effect, only that those who drink have lower rates of heart disease than those who do not. So saying that alcohol increases your health or improves it is a fat lie, no competent medical doctor would advocate this position.
Monster Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 At least we know that sick cows are not held accountable for the use of tobacco. And then there are those nasty bruises and how effective tobacco is for those. Of course it is not clear as to whether it is human bruises or cow bruises. Yes it is truly a word of wisdom."And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill."IMHO the word of wisdom is nothing more that an expression of notions that were popular at the time. Some may have had merit others did not. Sure tobacco is bad for you, but hot drinks, come on what does that mean. So adherence is strictly a measure of obedience. It is hardly valid for a code of health if you take it as a whole. so in that sense it makes sense that you need to comply before baptism, since we believe obedience is the first law of heaven. I am fine with that approach, but to claim it is all about health is disingenuous.
nicolasconnault Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 At least we know that sick cows are not held accountable for the use of tobacco. And then there are those nasty bruises and how effective tobacco is for those. Of course it is not clear as to whether it is human bruises or cow bruises. Yes it is truly a word of wisdom."And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill."IMHO the word of wisdom is nothing more that an expression of notions that were popular at the time. Some may have had merit others did not. Sure tobacco is bad for you, but hot drinks, come on what does that mean. So adherence is strictly a measure of obedience. It is hardly valid for a code of health if you take it as a whole. so in that sense it makes sense that you need to comply before baptism, since we believe obedience is the first law of heaven. I am fine with that approach, but to claim it is all about health is disingenuous.The most inspired and useful part of the Word of Wisdom is its name, shortly followed by the promises attached to it.
Monster Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 The most inspired and useful part of the Word of Wisdom is its name, shortly followed by the promises attached to it.What are you trying to say, that the WOW is great because of its Name? And the promises do not seem to pan out for many people. Lots of people who live it are not protected form the destroying angel. Lots of Mormons that live it can not run and not be weary. They can barely walk to church. Just use common sense in your eating habits along with a little scientific research and you will be fine. To me when it says it is for the weakest of the weak I take it at its word. It is for those who can not make common sense decisions on their own and need to be told in everything how to act.
Calm Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 It is hardly valid for a code of health if you take it as a whole. so in that sense it makes sense that you need to comply before baptism, since we believe obedience is the first law of heaven. I am fine with that approach, but to claim it is all about health is disingenuous.Not claiming that its only purpose is health but if you are claiming that it is useless as a code of health, you should check out the studies comparing the health and lifespans of LDS to nonLDS groups.
nicolasconnault Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 What are you trying to say, that the WOW is great because of its Name? And the promises do not seem to pan out for many people. Lots of people who live it are not protected form the destroying angel. Lots of Mormons that live it can not run and not be weary. They can barely walk to church. Just use common sense in your eating habits along with a little scientific research and you will be fine. To me when it says it is for the weakest of the weak I take it at its word. It is for those who can not make common sense decisions on their own and need to be told in everything how to act.Your interpretation of the promises is rather peculiar. Surely you don't think that it's promising protection from death?? We can start another thread on this topic if you like, to find out how other LDS interpret these promises.Yes, the fact that the Word of Wisdom is thus called makes it useful, because wisdom should dictate how we should take care of our bodies, not just a list of what to do or not to do. I think you agree with that. The few items given in this revelation are mere examples of how to apply the principle of Wisdom. In most cases we should use wisdom and the direction of the Spirit to help us decide what dietary habits to follow. Wisdom also includes searching and applying relevant knowledge, including the latest scientific research. For example it's not good enough for LDS to abstain from caffeine completely, we should learn what it is and how it affects us, and how it can sometimes be extremely useful or even life-saving. I expect that you and I agree on these points.
Morman Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 A person cannot sincerly have atestimony of the gospel and still violate part of that gospel i.e. the Word of Wisdom
LDS Guy 1986 Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 Just use common sense in your eating habits along with a little scientific research and you will be fine. Isn't it funny that just in the past 50 years we have learned in great detail of the health dangers of Tobacco, Alcohol, caffeine, and eating excessive amounts of meat?The devout Latter-day Saint was doing this almost 100 years before it became the popular thing to do, looks like its God 1 Scientists 0 on knowing what is healthy for people to consume!The Word of Wisdom if followed completely is a excellent health code, is it an end all of health codes of course not. We receive the will of God line upon line, precept upon precept.
Calm Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 It's always kind of bothered me that a person can be born and raised in the Church, somewhere along the line choose not to keep the Word of Wisdom and yet still retain his membership, while a potential convert cannot be baptized into the Church if he has a "Word of Wisdom problem." Has Katzpur been back to the board since posting this? It would be nice to know if he's read the corrections of his misunderstanding of what actually was required and what was not.
Lareliw Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 I can't start my own thread yet or I would, but I have seen it discussed in this one so I thought I would bring it up while it was fresh in my mind. Temple recommends - What makes someone "worthy" of attending the temple? Why is it that no one who does not have a recommend can even enter it, or know what goes on inside? That is one of my husband's big objections overall, is the "secrecy."
rpn Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 I don't think you'll get much response since your post is such a derail. But the reason for requiring behavior and worthiness is that if you can't live the gospel principles required to get a temple recommend, you cannot live the covenants you will make in the temple. So it is Heavenly Father's way of protecting people by setting themselves up for failure. Ask your dh if he is okay with you talking to your mom, sisters and girlfriends about the details of your life with him. He will likely say "heck no", that there is a level of privacy, even sacredness between you that would be betrayed if either of you disclosed that to others outside the marriage. The temple sacredness is much the same. Some things should not be discussed outside the family --- because they might be misunderstood, because people who don't understand might mock, because [who knows what other reasons]. And your dh's faith probably has some of the same types of things that aren't regularly discussed in public. LDS faith is not the only one to do it.
LeSellers Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 What makes someone "worthy" of attending the temple?Following the commandments of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or, at least, doing one's best in attempting to. There are just a few questions, nearly the same ones you'd answer as a candidate for baptism. A few are on beliefs: Do you believe in God, in Christ, and in the Holy Ghost? Do you accept His Church as His? Do you see the President of His Church as the only legitimate holder of Priesthood keys? There are a few on actions: Do you follow the Laws of Chastity, of tithing, of the Word of Wisdom? Are you honorable and honest in your life? Do you support any past spouses and children from earlier marriages according to the law? You'll answer questions on your intent to follow these laws in the future, and are you committed to following Christ? Please note that the bishop and stake president do not judge your worthiness, you do
Lareliw Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Both of your answers were very insightful to me! I suppose I need to do some more reading and gain a greater understanding of the things "outside" the temple before I start worrying about inside As someone who is a seeker, I just have so many questions and sometimes it is hard to sort it all out. I would have started my own thread, like I said, but I am not allowed to yet Following the commandments of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or, at least, doing one's best in attempting to. There are just a few questions, nearly the same ones you'd answer as a candidate for baptism. A few are on beliefs: Do you believe in God, in Christ, and in the Holy Ghost? Do you accept His Church as His? Do you see the President of His Church as the only legitimate holder of Priesthood keys? There are a few on actions: Do you follow the Laws of Chastity, of tithing, of the Word of Wisdom? Are you honorable and honest in your life? Do you support any past spouses and children from earlier marriages according to the law? You'll answer questions on your intent to follow these laws in the future, and are you committed to following Christ? Please note that the bishop and stake president do not judge your worthiness, you do
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