ElderDarionBevan Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Can the two really co-exist or is it one or the other? I am interested in everyones opionion. There is a cool video of a scientist who explains that I found. Check it out and I would love to hear all the responsesclick on the link to view the video: http://elderbevan.blogspot.com/2011/01/sergio-sanchez-father-scientist-mormon.html
Vex Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Can the two really co-exist or is it one or the other? I am interested in everyones opionion. There is a cool video of a scientist who explains that I found. Check it out and I would love to hear all the responsesclick on the link to view the video: http://elderbevan.blogspot.com/2011/01/sergio-sanchez-father-scientist-mormon.htmlI believe Henry Eyring said it best: Is there any conflict between science and religion? There is no conflict in the mind of God, but often there is conflict in the minds of men.
blueadept Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 I'm currently sponsoring someone that will be joining the RCC this Easter and I had to deal with this particular issue. The bottom-line was that the journey, whether looking at something religious or scientific, that journey had similar approaches. I was able to point out that in science, you can't necessarily prove something 100%. You can prove a large % to yourself that you have the truth but there is still a small % that comes down to faith that you've come down to the right conclusions.Our religious journey should be similiar. You can read, ponder and prove something is right to a large degree for yourself, but there is always some degree in regards to a leap of faith. Hopefully, the leap of faith is somewhat small for the individual in regards to religion as it is for the scientist.IMO, there's a similarity in these journeys.
sunstoned Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 I believe that faith and science can co-exist on some level. However, I am less convinced that main stream fundamentalist type religions can co-exist with science without conflicts. We need look no further that this forum to see where a literal reading of the (mostly OT) scriptures is at odds with accepted science in many areas.
semlogo Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Can the two really co-exist or is it one or the other? I am interested in everyones opionion. There is a cool video of a scientist who explains that I found. Check it out and I would love to hear all the responsesclick on the link to view the video: http://elderbevan.blogspot.com/2011/01/sergio-sanchez-father-scientist-mormon.htmlYes, I think they can coexist. If you're a (small c) conservative Christian or LDS, you're likely to have objections to certain branches of science, but I think more enlightened Mormons and other Christian believers can reconcile science with our religion. It's simply a matter of recognizing that there is an objective reality, and ignoring it amounts to having blind faith. Blind faith is not healthy faith.
Analytics Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Can the two really co-exist or is it one or the other? I am interested in everyones opionion. There is a cool video of a scientist who explains that I found. Check it out and I would love to hear all the responsesclick on the link to view the video: http://elderbevan.blogspot.com/2011/01/sergio-sanchez-father-scientist-mormon.htmlWhile any given religious belief may have any degree of harmony or disharmony with any given scientific hypothesis, the foundation of the two beliefs are quite different.Ultimately, faith is about choosing to believe in something despite the lack of evidence. The scientific method is about rigorously trying to disprove your hypothesis, and then only tentatively accepting it when there is no other explanation. Faith is believing without seeing. Skepticism is not believing until you have proof.Religion is based on faith, and science is based on skepticism. Can religion and science coexist? It depends upon how consistent the religious dogmas in question are with the hypotheses of science. People can have faith in religions that are more consistent with science, they can compartmentalize, and they can compromise. Religion and science can coexist, but faith and skepticism cannot.
Vex Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 While any given religious belief may have any degree of harmony or disharmony with any given scientific hypothesis, the foundation of the two beliefs are quite different.Ultimately, faith is about choosing to believe in something despite the lack of evidence. The scientific method is about rigorously trying to disprove your hypothesis, and then only tentatively accepting it when there is no other explanation. Faith is believing without seeing. Skepticism is not believing until you have proof.Religion is based on faith, and science is based on skepticism. Can religion and science coexist? It depends upon how consistent the religious dogmas in question are with the hypotheses of science. People can have faith in religions that are more consistent with science, they can compartmentalize, and they can compromise. Religion and science can coexist, but faith and skepticism cannot.I think it will be more accurate to say "skepticism is not believing until you have evidence."Though I do agree with your conclusion: "Religion and science can coexist, but faith and skepticism cannot."
thesometimesaint Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Truth is truth wherever you find it.
ELF1024 Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Can the two really co-exist or is it one or the other? I am interested in everyones opionion. There is a cool video of a scientist who explains that I found. Check it out and I would love to hear all the responsesclick on the link to view the video: http://elderbevan.bl...ist-mormon.htmlGod says "I created the heavens and the Earth"Science explains how man thinks he did it...
thesometimesaint Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 ELF1024:I view Mormonism as the ultimate practical religion. If it works it works. Science is the same way.
Mortal Man Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Science is questions that must be answered.Religion is answers that must not be questioned.
thesometimesaint Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Mortal Man:Not really. From the Articles of Faith: We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
ELF1024 Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Science is questions that must be answered.Religion is answers that must not be questioned.I disagree...I would say that Religion poses some of the questions that Science is attempting to answer.Then again, nobody expects the spanish inquisition...
ElderDarionBevan Posted January 26, 2011 Author Posted January 26, 2011 I believe the two do co-exist. The more we understand about god the more science will make sense
44Foxtrot Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Anyone who claims that science and religion are not in direct and unresolvable conflict with one another needs to read more about science or religion, or both.Gould's claim of non-overlapping magisterium has been discredited. Science and religion give rise to diametrically opposed world views, by definition. As has been stated above, science is belief based on physical evidence and religion is belief held in the absence of physical evidence. An excellent definition of religious faith is "unfounded belief."In fact, religion is often belief held in the face of (sometimes overwhelming) physical evidence to the contrary.Interestingly, the title chosen for the OP (Faith vs Science) reflects this conflict, as does the commonly used phrase "science vs religion".
Vex Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I guess all those scientists who practice religion have it wrong then?
Deborah Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 In fact, religion is often belief held in the face of (sometimes overwhelming) physical evidence to the contrary.Obviously you haven't had much experience with religion. Those of us who believe have seen overwhelming, and yes sometimes physical evidence, of the power of faith.
44Foxtrot Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 The more we understand about god the more science will make senseScience already makes sense. The confusion, conflict and consternation in the world is due, in no small measure, to differences in religious belief.
44Foxtrot Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Obviously you haven't had much experience with religion. Those of us who believe have seen overwhelming, and yes sometimes physical evidence, of the power of faith.I was a faithful Mormon for more than three decades. You stated that perception of physical evidence in support of faith comes to the faithful. You are correct. In fact, it comes only to the faithful. Think about it.
zelder Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Anyone who claims that science and religion are not in direct and unresolvable conflict with one another needs to read more about science or religion, or both.Gould's claim of non-overlapping magisterium has been discredited. Science and religion give rise to diametrically opposed world views, by definition. As has been stated above, science is belief based on physical evidence and religion is belief held in the absence of physical evidence. An excellent definition of religious faith is "unfounded belief."In fact, religion is often belief held in the face of (sometimes overwhelming) physical evidence to the contrary.Interestingly, the title chosen for the OP (Faith vs Science) reflects this conflict, as does the commonly used phrase "science vs religion".There is no doubt that there is conflict between some aspects of science and some points of mormon doctrine. As has been discussed elsewhere in this forum, we can't reconcile what the scriptures say about Adam and Eve, their immortaility while in the garden and the 6,000 years of time its been since they partook of the fruit. Most mormons do not worry about it, they somehow blend the two together in a way that really is not rational, others who are more rational may reject some of the docrine but surprisingly, they still believe in the church, so its really not much of a problem. Still others like me, will blow off the science and not pay it any heed. The mormon leadership has wisely chosen to ignore conflicts because it does not matter what you believe regarding the age of the earth or Adam, people will still believe in the church.
Daniel Peterson Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 There seem to be a number of believing LDS scientists on "Mormon Scholars Testify" who haven't gotten the memo from which 44Foxtrot keeps reading to us:http://mormonscholarstestify.org/http://mormonscholarstestify.org/category/testimonies
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I was a faithful Mormon for more than three decades. whoopdidoo. You can still get things wrong or not understand them, even after being "a faithful Mormon for more than three decades".
thesometimesaint Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 The amount we know about either is like a thimbles' worth of knowledge compared to our vast ocean of ignorance.
Vex Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 The amount we know about either is like a thimbles' worth of knowledge compared to our vast ocean of ignorance.or... (I think you're missing another comparison)?
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