The Gods are co-equal in creation.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Here is the low down guys, this is such a minimal point how ever I bring this point up to show how certain critics of the church bring up points that are not accurate and are not beliefs of the LDS church. I am trying a poll for the first time, hopefully it works.

Hi Mola,

First, your not going to find a whole lot written on "the gods", it is not something often taught on.

Second, Milton Hunter wrote in his commentary of the PoGP,page 75. I'm hand typing this out of the commentary so I can't paste as much as I would like. But, MH quoted verses 20,22 and 31 in chapter 4, and verse 3 in chapter 5 and said the following...

" Such statements as these prove beyond a shadow of doubt that Abraham's account represents the God's "blue-print" or plans regarding the heaven and the earth"

How does this translate in to "co-equal at creation"?

The Gods in chapters 4&5 did the following:

* the Gods,...formed

* the Spirit of the Gods was brooding upon the face of the waters.

* (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.

* And the Gods ordered

* And the Gods pronounced

* And the Gods organized

* And the Gods prepared

* And the Gods took counsel among themselves

* And the Gods said...we will give

* And the Gods formed man from the dust of the ground, and took his spirit

* And the Gods planted a garden,

* And the Gods took the man and put him in the Garden

* And the Gods commanded the man

* And the Gods caused a deep sleep

* And of the rib which the Gods had taken from man

* the Gods formed every beast

* 3 And the Gods concluded upon the seventh time, because that on the seventh time they would a rest from all their works which they (the Gods) counseled among themselves to form; and sanctified it. And thus were their decisions at the time that they counseled among themselves to form the heavens and the earth.

I don't see how this translates into "co-equal at creation". They all played a part but all did not share the same responsibility. And you cannot reasonably state that all did. If all do not share the same amount of responisiblity then they cannot be "co equal in creation".

It is pretty clear that according to the LDS standard works, and Milton Hunter, and I have another PoGP Commentary somewhere,I need to dig out that the Gods were very active in the creation of not only the earth, but of man. Saying that the Gods we "co-equal in the creation" is not a stretch by any means. Show me what roles these gods had that would reflect anything less than them being "co-equal in creation"? Keep in mind Hunter speaks in detail how Abraham's vision allowed him to see the plan of creation take place, and Hunter teaches that basically Abraham's version is the most correct version of the three versions of the creation according to LDS theology."

Playing a part in, and "co-equal in creation". are not the same thing Markk.

yes they are all co-equal with getting the project done, one without the other and the project won't get done. I just finished up a two year restoration of a very large Victorian Hotel ( Tanyan, The Walker House in San Dimas), I'm a superintendent, my "floor sweeper" was one of the most important persons on the project, he knew where everything was and was my eyes why I was in the trailer most the day, and co-equal in the sense that the project would have suffered with out him, plus he was my car pool buddy for the diamond lane... LoL. I have worked with Architects for over 30 years and I have yet to have one do the welding for me, so structurally the project wouldn't get very far. Does everybody equal in authority..no, and is everybody equal in what they bring to the table or in pay...no, but all are critical in completing the project.

More later

Mark

You should then know that becuase you are the superintendent you have a different amount of responsibilty than the sweeper.

"I have worked with Architects for over 30 years and I have yet to have one do the welding for me"

That is right the architect wont do the welding because he has a different responisbilty and he is the planner. The welder has different responibilites than the archietect, that means by defualt that they are not "co-equal in the creation of the building".

The argument is not weather or not they all play a part in creation and have different levels of responsibilty, it is that all are not "co-euqal at creation".

Here is Markk's latest attemp to paint a belief that is not held by the LDS church nor is it supported by an scripture or teaching.

One minor note, the only thing I see that the Gods are "co-equal" on is in purpose.

[Joseph Antley]

The Gods are absolutely not co-equal, at least in terms of intelligence, which is what constitutes godliness. Had Markk actually ever read the Book of Abraham, he would know this. Abraham learns this in chapter 3, after the discourse on cosmology:

"And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all." (Abraham 3:19)

The Gods (and all spirits) have varying degrees of intelligence with the Most High God at the top of the chain.

The earth was created by Jesus Christ under the direction of God the Father. Along with him, lesser gods, like the Archangel Michael, assisted.

[BCSpace]

They all had different assignments according to their abilites and talents. For example, Slartybartfast was in charge of fjords.

[Markk]

Hi Mola,

This should be an interesting thread...LoL, Just for the record, according to LDS theology, how was the earth created, was it spoke into existence, or was it build like a construction project..i.e. bulldozers, shovels, hammers, duct tape, and change orders? Tell me how you believe everything was created, give me some specifics?

Take care

Mark

John 1:12

[BCSpace]

This should be an interesting thread...LoL, Just for the record, according to LDS theology, how was the earth created, was it spoke into existence, or was it build like a construction project..i.e. bulldozers, shovels, hammers, duct tape, and change orders?

The Father spoke the command and the Son carried it out (Hebrews 1). Since there is no such thing as creation ex nihilo, this earth was made of pre-existing materials.

Tell me how you believe everything was created, give me some specifics?

I personally accept the complete Big Bang and Evolution theories (and have no trouble with the as of yet undeveloped String theories), exactly as science understands them.

[Calm]

I'm a superintendent, my "floor sweeper" was one of the most important persons on the project,

He may have been "co-equal" by your definition, but if your unit that you were supervisor over didn't get their work done, I bet your bosses wouldn't be holding him as responsible for not making sure your men did their work, etc. I bet he wasn't making as much money as you were too. Did you feel obligated to split the difference with him due to your perception of his 'co-equalness'?

[Joseph Antley]

Just for the record, according to LDS theology, how was the earth created, was it spoke into existence, or was it build like a construction project..i.e. bulldozers, shovels, hammers, duct tape, and change orders? Tell me how you believe everything was created, give me some specifics?

Unfortunately I either wasn't there or can't remember how it was done, and God hasn't revealed the mechanics of how worlds are made. I think your immature caricature of creation, however, is--well--immature.

[Markk]

He may have been "co-equal" by your definition, but if your unit that you were supervisor over didn't get their work done, I bet your bosses wouldn't be holding him as responsible for not making sure your men did their work, etc. I bet he wasn't making as much money as you were too. Did you feel obligated to split the difference with him due to your perception of his 'co-equalness'?

I think you better read in context, 1st I said Mola's example was not a good example in context with Abe. 4, and second i never denied Elohim as head God, and third I believe that in construction it takes allot of people to complete a successful project. I was in charge of the project and yet I didn't pound one nail or even sweat for that matter, how is the job going to get done like that?

In my family there is four of us, co-equal, maybe not in authority and roles, but none the co-equal as a family unit.

All this is a straw man though in that we have the verse's, you tell me where it says that they were not "co-equal in creation"?

Mark

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[Joseph Antley]

I think you better read in context, 1st I said Mola's example was not a good example in context with Abe. 4, and second i never denied Elohim as head God, and third I believe that in construction it takes allot of people to complete a successful project. I was in charge of the project and yet I didn't pound one nail or even sweat for that matter, how is the job going to get done like that?

In my family there is four of us, co-equal, maybe not in authority and roles, but none the co-equal as a family unit.

All this is a straw man though in that we have the verse's, you tell me where it says that they were not "co-equal in creation"?

Mark

Markk, several LDS have told you that we do not believe they were co-equal in the creation.

Is there some reason that you want us to believe that they were co-equal in creation?

[Markk]

Hi Joesph,

Unfortunately I either wasn't there or can't remember how it was done, and God hasn't revealed the mechanics of how worlds are made.

Then how do can you possible know that the Gods were not co-equal if hasn't been revealed? Do you believe creation was spoken into existence, if not how was it created?

Take care

Mark

[Joseph Antley]

Then how do can you possible know that the Gods were not co-equal if hasn't been revealed?

The fact that God hasn't revealed the methods that gods create has no bearing on whether or not I know if the creators were co-equal. I base my knowledge that they weren't on the Father's proclamation to Moses that he created the earth by the Only Begotten Son (Moses 1:33); Jesus Christ is given preeminence to Moses as the creator, implying that he was above the rest.

Thus far, you have provided no evidence that they should be considered equal.

And you've also ignored the question I posed in my previous post:

"Is there some reason that you want us to believe that they were co-equal in creation?" Why argue with us when we say we don't believe that? What is your motive?

Do you believe creation was spoken into existence, if not how was it created?

As I already stated, I don't know the nuances of how the earth was created. I do know that it was created from preexisting matter. I personally don't believe that it was literally "spoken" into existence.

[Markk]

Hi Joesph,

The fact that God hasn't revealed the methods that gods create has no bearing on whether or not I know if the creators were co-equal. I base my knowledge that they weren't on the Father's proclamation to Moses that he created the earth by the Only Begotten Son (Moses 1:33); Jesus Christ is given preeminence to Moses as the creator, implying that he was above the rest.

Hermeneutics demand that the BoA is the most accurate of the LDS creation accounts, Milton Hunter agrees with that in his commentary of the PoGP. I have all ready said that Elohim is the head god in creation, months ago, so take this in context.

The most accurate LDS account says the God simply spoke the creation, they said it collectively and planned it collectively. Yours is and argument of emotion, mine is an argument based on the LDS account that is the most accurate, frankly you have not even attempted to address the facts. Go through chapters 4 and 5 and tell me who spoke the seven days of creation into existence.

And you've also ignored the question I posed in my previous post:

"Is there some reason that you want us to believe that they were co-equal in creation?" Why argue with us when we say we don't believe that? What is your motive?

No, Mola started this thread, no one is twisting your arm here, this is a discussion board last time I looked.

As I already stated, I don't know the nuances of how the earth was created. I do know that it was created from preexisting matter. I personally don't believe that it was literally "spoken" into existence.

If you don't know how it was created, then your position is on of ignorance and without substance.

McConkie wrote in Ensign..."The First Dayâ??Elohim, Jehovah, Michael, a host of noble and great onesâ??all these played their parts. â??The Godsâ? created the atmospheric heavens and the temporal earth. It was â??without form, and voidâ?; as yet it could serve no useful purpose with respect to the salvation of man.

They all played their parts in creation, what were these parts....they all spoke it into creation according to LDS scripture, so until you can tell me the hows, I can only go with what Miltion Hunter calls the most accurate account of Creation, the BoA.

Thanks

Mark

[BCSpace]

Hermeneutics demand that the BoA is the most accurate of the LDS creation accounts, Milton Hunter agrees with that in his commentary of the PoGP.

Hermeneutics is a violation of 2 Peter 1:21

[Calm]

If creation was done through the power of God, those God allowed to use his power could hardly be said to have been "co-equal" with Him even if this was all He did. He was essential to the project, they were not so much.

[Lightbearer]

First off the Father is superior to all the "gods" who participated in the creation of this world. Jehovah or Christ, the Son is working under the direction of the Father, those of us who assisted (we are aware that some did) did so under the direction of the Father and the Son. All of us are co-eternal with God, we are not as yet co-equal with Him though we are striving to become as He is. Yet even so He will always be our Father, even when and if we become as He is. The book of Abraham account of the creation as I understand it, has reference to the Grand Council. At that council the Father presided, the Son conducted and we participated according to our several abilities and gifts.

[annewandering]

lol I can see how that could be confusing. What he is referring to basically: Is Jesus equal to God, the Father in the creation?

[Joseph Antley]

Hermeneutics demand that the BoA is the most accurate of the LDS creation accounts, Milton Hunter agrees with that in his commentary of the PoGP.

Of the three, I agree with that as well. That shouldn't be interpreted to mean that since Abraham is the most accurate of the three that Abraham is perfect.

I have all ready said that Elohim is the head god in creation, months ago, so take this in context.

Do you agree that we believe that Jehovah/Yahweh/Jesus Christ is directly under Elohim, with the others like Michael, Gabriel, etc., under him?

The most accurate LDS account says the God simply spoke the creation, they said it collectively and planned it collectively.

It does not say that "God simply spoke the creation". It does say that the Gods agreed on what what would be done and voiced their plans.

Yours is and argument of emotion,

As I already stated, my argument is based on God's proclamation to Moses that he created the earth by his Only Begotten Son (Moses 1:33). The Most High God doesn't mention any other deities there, meaning that Jesus Christ must have been prominent among them. There's also the fact that I've been a Latter-day Saint for almost twenty years and have at least a mediocre understanding of LDS theology.

mine is an argument based on the LDS account that is the most accurate,

If that's the case, I would appreciate you citing specific references in your argument instead of blandly stating that the Book of Abraham says so.

frankly you have not even attempted to address the facts.

I believe I've addressed your argument thoroughly.

Go through chapters 4 and 5 and tell me who spoke the seven days of creation into existence.

1) Abraham 4 doesn't say that the Gods "spoke...creation into existence". 2) I agree that the Gods did it together; that doesn't make them co-equal.

No, Mola started this thread, no one is twisting your arm here, this is a discussion board last time I looked.

That's the second time that you've completely ignored my question with meaningless diatribe.

If you don't know how it was created, then your position is on of ignorance and without substance.

My lack of knowledge of the mechanics of the earth's creation has no bearing on my knowledge of whether the Gods who created it did so equally.

McConkie wrote in Ensign..."The First Dayâ??Elohim, Jehovah, Michael, a host of noble and great onesâ??all these played their parts. â??The Godsâ? created the atmospheric heavens and the temporal earth. It was â??without form, and voidâ?; as yet it could serve no useful purpose with respect to the salvation of man.

They all played their parts in creation, what were these parts....they all spoke it into creation according to LDS scripture,

Elder McConkie's statement implies that they had separate parts and thus the creation was a bit more complicated than they merely collectively speaking the word. His statement does not support your argument.

so until you can tell me the hows, I can only go with what Miltion Hunter calls the most accurate account of Creation, the BoA.

Rather, you can go with your gross misinterpretation of Abraham's account of creation, which, in my opinion, you've probably created to support some other ridiculous claim against Latter-day Saint belief that you want to push.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Rather, you can go with your gross misinterpretation of Abraham's account of creation, which, in my opinion, you've probably created to support some other ridiculous claim against Latter-day Saint belief that you want to push.

And this sums why I started this whole thread, to see what Markk's agenda is behind this minor quibble. It is so minor of a flaw in his thinking yet he clings to it like he has some smoking gun some were if we would but say, "Yeah you might have a point". Which he doesn't.

[Markk]

Hi Joesph

Of the three, I agree with that as well. That shouldn't be interpreted to mean that since Abraham is the most accurate of the three that Abraham is perfect.

What are you saying then, that the most accurate account of the three LDS versions of the creation is not to be trusted when it says over and over that the "gods" created the heavens and the earth"? If it is indeed flawed and can't be used for face value, the the other two must be really unreliable. What are you personally basing your view of the creation on and why?

Do you agree that we believe that Jehovah/Yahweh/Jesus Christ is directly under Elohim, with the others like Michael, Gabriel, etc., under him?

Of Course they are, and I said that in the Abraham story Elohim was the Head God. LDS theology also teaches though that Elohim had a Father...etc, so who to say what the Gods that are Higher than Elohim played in the creation, especially in that Abraham's account,the most accurate of the three, is not perfect. You have to take what I said about the gods being co-equal in the creation in context with the original thread Mola pasted it from which was a trinity thread.

It does not say that "God simply spoke the creation". It does say that the Gods agreed on what what would be done and voiced their plans.

3 And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.

6 And the Gods also said: Let there be an aexpanse in the midst of the waters, and it shall divide the waters from the waters.

7 And the Gods ordered the expanse, so that it divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so, even as they ordered.

11 And the Gods said: Let us prepare the earth to bring forth agrass; the herb yielding seed; the fruit tree yielding fruit, after his kind, whose seed in itself yieldeth its own likeness upon the earth; and it was so, even as they ordered.

Are we reading that same account of creation, the Gods planned it and then followed through with their plan.

As I already stated, my argument is based on God's proclamation to Moses that he created the earth by his Only Begotten Son (Moses 1:33). The Most High God doesn't mention any other deities there, meaning that Jesus Christ must have been prominent among them. There's also the fact that I've been a Latter-day Saint for almost twenty years and have at least a mediocre understanding of LDS theology.

I never said that LDS theology was not prominent, LDS theology teaches the earth was created for him and by him, but Abraham takes it farther and clarifies and expounds on the account. You can't just ignore Abraham unless your ready to retire the book as some LDS members seem to be leaning. Bottom line is according to the BoA The Gods generally created as a co-op.

If that's the case, I would appreciate you citing specific references in your argument instead of blandly stating that the Book of Abraham says so.

If You had been reading my posts you would have gotten the Cf it was from Milton Hunter's commentary of the PoGP chapter 13 page 74. He relates that because this was a vision of Abraham it is the blueprint and story of how the creation was carried out. I typed the direct quote out in another post.

1) Abraham 4 doesn't say that the Gods "spoke...creation into existence".

3 And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.

Yes it does, what does this mean then?

2) I agree that the Gods did it together; that doesn't make them co-equal.

I never said they were co-equal in nature or authority, or what ever you mean by this, I said the were "co-equal in creation", like you said they did it together = "coequal in creation", keep it in context.

M

y lack of knowledge of the mechanics of the earth's creation has no bearing on my knowledge of whether the Gods who created it did so equally.

If you don't know how it was created, then you don't know how it created. All there is to go by is the version that gives the most data and that version does not say that one god did any thing mor or less than any other god in the actual creation.

Elder McConkie's statement implies that they had separate parts and thus the creation was a bit more complicated than they merely collectively speaking the word. His statement does not support your argument.

You have no idea what these parts are, or if they are equal parts, but if you read McConkies account...again it was the gods collectively that created.

What are the different levels of Godhood, are gods forever learning, or once one becomes a god are they always growing in power?

Rather, you can go with your gross misinterpretation of Abraham's account of creation, which, in my opinion, you've probably created to support some other ridiculous claim against Latter-day Saint belief that you want to push.

Gross misinterpretation? In one breath your saying you don't know how the earth was created, the mechanics, and in the next you saying my interpretation of the creation per the BoA is a gross misinterpretation.

Again at what point does a God become equal in power with another God, and give me a CF on this?

Thanks

Mark

[Joseph Antley]

What are you saying then, that the most accurate account of the three LDS versions of the creation is not to be trusted when it says over and over that the "gods" created the heavens and the earth"?

I haven't said anything of the sort.

If it is indeed flawed and can't be used for face value, the the other two must be really unreliable. What are you personally basing your view of the creation on and why?

I have already explained this multiple times in this thread and the other one.

Of Course they are, and I said that in the Abraham story Elohim was the Head God. LDS theology also teaches though that Elohim had a Father...etc, so who to say what the Gods that are Higher than Elohim played in the creation, especially in that Abraham's account,the most accurate of the three, is not perfect. You have to take what I said about the gods being co-equal in the creation in context with the original thread Mola pasted it from which was a trinity thread.

As far as I can tell, I have been.

Are we reading that same account of creation, the Gods planned it and then followed through with their plan.

Evidently.

I never said that LDS theology was not prominent, LDS theology teaches the earth was created for him and by him, but Abraham takes it farther and clarifies and expounds on the account.

Abraham does expand the account to show that other Gods were involved in the earth's creation. It doesn't say that each of those Gods had an equal part in that creation.

You can't just ignore Abraham unless your ready to retire the book as some LDS members seem to be leaning.

I haven't been ignoring it, and I've seen no evidence of faithful Latter-day Saints "leaning" away from the Book of Abraham.

Bottom line is according to the BoA The Gods generally created as a co-op.

They acted together, but it doesn't say that each god had an equal part.

3 And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.

Yes it does, what does this mean then?

This text, along with Moses 2:3, is based on Genesis 1:3. The alteration of the verse was to show that multiple Gods were involved.

As to what it means, I think the text is fairly clear. The Gods said "Let there be light", and they created light. It doesn't say anything about how that was done.

I never said they were co-equal in nature or authority, or what ever you mean by this, I said the were "co-equal in creation", like you said they did it together = "coequal in creation", keep it in context.

I have been. I'm sorry that you were confused by my phrasing.

If you don't know how it was created, then you don't know how it created.

Just because I don't the exact mechanics of how Gods organize matter doesn't mean that I don't know how it wasn't created.

All there is to go by is the version that gives the most data and that version does not say that one god did any thing mor or less than any other god in the actual creation.

Nor does it say that they each did an equal part. All it mentions is what they said and the end result of creation.

You have no idea what these parts are, or if they are equal parts,

Yet somehow you have an idea. Remarkable.

but if you read McConkies account...again it was the gods collectively that created.

I've never said anything to the contrary. Of course the Gods collectively created the earth; the argument is over whether each god had an equal part in its creation.

What are the different levels of Godhood, are gods forever learning, or once one becomes a god are they always growing in power?

As you've said repeatedly, we are not discussing whether they equal in power, intelligence, or authority. But even if I knew the answer to this question as anything beyond personal speculation, I doubt I would share it.

Gross misinterpretation? In one breath your saying you don't know how the earth was created, the mechanics, and in the next you saying my interpretation of the creation per the BoA is a gross misinterpretation.

Hit the nail on the head.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

This is awsome Markks Says

All there is to go by is the version that gives the most data and that version does not say that one god did any thing mor or less than any other god in the actual creation.

Joseph Says

Nor does it say that they each did an equal part. All it mentions is what they said and the end result of creation.

Followed by Markk,

You have no idea what these parts are, or if they are equal parts,

Joseph States

Yet somehow you have an idea. Remarkable.

Markk Says

but if you read McConkies account...again it was the gods collectively that created.

Followed by Joseph

I've never said anything to the contrary. Of course the Gods collectively created the earth; the argument is over whether each god had an equal part in its creation.

In the end it is easy to see were Markk is going wrong here. Not too mention he moved the goal posts with this remark.

"but if you read McConkies account...again it was the gods collectively that created."

Since when did "collectivly" mean "co-equal in creation"?

[Markk]

Hi Mola,

Droppy wrote the following on another thread:

As I understand the plan of salvation as taught in the restored gospel, when we are fully exalted, we will be coequal with God in power, intgellegence, knowlege, and capacity. We will then, under his Priesthood direction, create our own worlds, upon which will reside our own spirit children, undergoing a similar mortal probation as we are now. We will be their Heavenly Fathers and Heavenly Mothers.

They will, following the patriarchal order, pray to their Heavenly Fathers, whoever they may be. They will not pray to Elohim, our Heavenly Father.

We will be independent of our Father in Heaven, but always "under" him in the sense of hierarchal Priesthood lineage and authority.

I will be a Heavenly Father to my spirit children on countless worlds.

This seems to be the ultimate destiny of those who abide a celestial law, if we take the plan of salvation and all of its implications seriously.

If this is true of LDS thought, which I agree it is, then my saying these gods are co-equal in the creation is just as valid as Droppy's statement that all Gods are co-equal in power with their respective God. You can talk to me or about me in the third person, all you like but it shows a real weakness in your position.

Do you believe that once one becomes a God they are equal with all other Gods in power, wisdom and knowledge, or are they lesser gods in these attributes?

Mark

John 1:12

[Joseph Antley]

If this is true of LDS thought, which I agree it is, then my saying these gods are co-equal in the creation is just as valid as Droppy's statement that all Gods are co-equal in power with their respective God.

Weren't you the one who's been pointing out over and over again that it's not equality in authority or power that we're talking about?

(In any case, the "gods" who created the earth were not exalted beings (save the Father) as in droopy's case, so his good opinion really has nothing to do with the issue, and I can't help but wonder why you're bringing it up over here.)

You can talk to me or about me in the third person, all you like but it shows a real weakness in your position.

Markk, have you ever considered that maybe some LDS (a very select few, to be sure!) just might have an understanding of LDS theology to rival yours? Or are you convinced that you, without the stigma of having to believe it weighing you down, are able to rise above poor Mormons to educate us about what our religion really teaches and what our scriptures really say?

If the latter, I for one am extraordinary grateful that we have you around.

[Markk]

Hi Joseph,

LDS theology has two different roads on this teaching. By and OP had a very heated history on their teachings and understanding of the nature of God in relation with "knowledge". OP taught that God was all knowing, while BY taught that God was forever learning, so it really doesn't matter what I believe but what they taught.

My point is that Droppy believes that Gods were coequal and I didn't see anybody refuting him the way you were refuting me. So if you believe as Droppy does then you have to take a second look at the creation account. If you don't then you have to believe that God is not all knowing and is forever learning, so that is why I asked the question.

And when I said that the creation account was done co-equally by the gods, and not in power in authority it has to be taken in the Context of Elohim being the "head God" as I related, don't take my posting out of context.

(In any case, the "gods" who created the earth were not exalted beings (save the Father) as in droopy's case, so his good opinion really has nothing to do with the issue, and I can't help but wonder why you're bringing it up over here.)

So, according to LDS theology, how does one become a god without being exalted...cfr please. Jesus was the God of the OT, he helped created the world, was he any less of a God at the creation...cfr

Mark

John 1:12