President Packer At A Slc Ward Fast And Testimony Mtg?

[LDS1MAN]

Well, yeah. That directive was reiterated in our area about 8 years ago; our new stake president immediately withdrew approval for a semi-planned super activity (a trip to Martin's Cove, IIRC).

A few years later when I listened to a couple of women from another stake discussing their upcoming superactivity, I had a really hard time keeping my mouth shut. But I decided "My SP follows Church directives" was probably kind of rude.

LDS1MAN says: This really illustrates the reason not to pass these things around: President Packer was making a joke... he knows that the Bishop does not take the youth to Nauvoo. Now the Bishop is being inundated from emails all over the Church calling him to task so that he has had to kill his email account. The Church has been inundated from all over the world with emails about the imminent catastrophe... when that's not what he said at all. Instead of handling their work causing the work of the Lord to be spread throughout the earth, everyone is answering emails, phone calls, press inquiries... all because some well-meaning person decided to take notes and then send them to a dozen of her closest friends; who sent them to their closest friends; who sent them to...

[Eden*]

Just what do you think Pres. Packer "revealed"?

Where in the remarks did Pres. Packer overstep his jurisdiction? Please explain, because I personally did not see anything wrong with what was reported that he said. It was reported that he said "a great catastrophe is coming"--are you suggesting he's making a prophetic prediction? It's way too vague to be considered a prophetic prediction. And frankly, it doesn't take a Prophet to predict that--we live in the last days--we KNOW a great catastrophe or any number of them are coming. Joe Biden predicted some kind of major crisis the other day and I don't think he claims to be a Prophet.

And before you try and claim I'm twisting your words, here is what you said;

I do not see how you can think he was making some kind of specific prediction. No dates, no particulars--this was no prediction, it was nothing different than saying we live in the last days and perilous times are ahead, etc. So, please show me where a member of the Quorum of the 12 is not allowed to say that a catastrophe is coming or anything to that effect, since we don't actually know what he said. What bothers me is people getting all worked up over a talk in church that was pretty general and certainly not worth claiming the man overstepped his bounds, simply because he wants members to realize that they need to realize we live in precarious times.

Are you saying President Packer is too vague? President Packer or anyone else cannot make a doctrinal prediction/prognostication naming specific dates or particulars even if he wanted too, as church policy from around 1990 blocks any possibility of anything specific like dates being allowed. You are saying that he has not overstepped his bounds? So does that mean that President Thomas S. Monson is happy about the trouble, blogs, speculation around the globe this has caused. It is interesting that the trouble this talk caused was not 'Forseen' by him. I trust President Monson.

*Previous to 1990 God could give dates in priesthood blessings are part of revelatory prognostications, however he is now blocked by policy.

[Muc'ul Ajwalil]

What I do say is that if he wanted everybody to know, there would have been something to that effect in General Conference or at least an area conference. This is a Q12AR to me, unless he did say something in General Conference similar to this, which, according to the transcript, there is nothing there...