Log Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 Why callest thou me good? There is no man good but one, which is God.This is an interesting verse for me and somewhat of a puzzle. It implies that either 1. Jesus is not good, but we know that he is perfect., OR 2. That Jesus is God because we know that he is good. I obviously lean towards number 2 and think that maybe he was pointing out to the man in a round about way that he is God.Jesus rather consistently proclaimed himself the son of God, and nowhere do I read in the New Testament did he take upon himself the title of God. I think the saying must be interpreted in the light of that which Christ claimed for himself and not the claims others have made for him, which would mean #2 is contraindicated by the context, as well as the text.
Billy Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 Jesus rather consistently proclaimed himself the son of God, and nowhere do I read in the New Testament did he take upon himself the title of God.John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God."Jesus didn't correct Thomas for this comment?
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God."Jesus didn't correct Thomas for this comment?And around the merry go round we go. X2
revelation Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 What do you think it means.He has reconciled us to God permanently. How about you?
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 He has reconciled us to God permanently. How about you?He has given us the oppertunity to become perfect and return to the fathers presence.I know i spelled it wrong. Oh well.
Akboy Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 I happen to know from the scriptures that Christ taught baptism yet I know of traditional Christian Churches who feel there is no need for baptism. Wouldn't you say baptism is one of the fundamentals? Sounds like some holier than thou's got together and decided to make up the rules as they went along about who could use the title of Christian. Must be ones with a Pharisee syndrome. The traditional Christians don't even look like the Ancient Christians and yet they are the ones who think they can dictate the rules that I for one choose to ignore. It seems to me if a person wants to call themselves a Christian then that is good enough and is no ones business to impose non Biblical rules...unless you preach another gospel and worship another Jesus. And I think all Mormons everywhere and on every forum need to put 'LDS Christian' under their name on their signature. We get to define who we are and what we believe.Baptism is debatable. I believe John 3 is talking about our physical birth, which involves water, and our spiritual birth. Yes Jesus was baptized, but He was also tested in the desert for 40 days and crucified. He fasted frequently and perfromed miracles. Just because Jesus did things doesn't automatically mean it's required of us. Baptism is a symbol of our changed life, it's a statement we make to the world that we are different. I believe it was a command, but not a requirement for salvation.I believe faith, grace, salvation and the atonement are the fundamentals.A 'Christian,' according to the dictionary, is someone who follows the teachings and example of Christ. Just because some says "I'm a Christian," it doesn't mean they are following the teachings and example of Christ. If someone says they're a Christian but doesn't follow Christ's teachings, are they a Christian?
bjw Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 People are saying JS taught "three Gods" instead of "One God," but doesn't this contradict D&C 20:28 and the Testimony of the Three Witnesses, where it says that these three are "One God?" To me it seems like the Three are still considered "One God."
MatthewG Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 MatthewGI am not saying "three separate beings". I am saying three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.I see no difference. So Jesus Christ, died, was resurrected, and then went up to heaven and left his body here? And only needs it when he's "Jesus"?
Tanyan Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 Baptism is debatable. I believe John 3 is talking about our physical birth, which involves water, and our spiritual birth. Yes Jesus was baptized, but He was also tested in the desert for 40 days and crucified. He fasted frequently and perfromed miracles. Just because Jesus did things doesn't automatically mean it's required of us. Baptism is a symbol of our changed life, it's a statement we make to the world that we are different. I believe it was a command, but not a requirement for salvation.I believe faith, grace, salvation and the atonement are the fundamentals.A 'Christian,' according to the dictionary, is someone who follows the teachings and example of Christ. Just because some says "I'm a Christian," it doesn't mean they are following the teachings and example of Christ. If someone says they're a Christian but doesn't follow Christ's teachings, are they a Christian? http://www.bible.ca/H-baptism.htm
MatthewG Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 soren,I would agree that they didn't think "there was more than one God". The second century bishop Ignatius, who was ordained by the apostle Peter, wrote,Impossible since Peter was DEAD before the end of the 1st.
MatthewG Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 People are saying JS taught "three Gods" instead of "One God," but doesn't this contradict D&C 20:28 and the Testimony of the Three Witnesses, where it says that these three are "One God?" To me it seems like the Three are still considered "One God."To put it in a sports analogy, the TEAM GOD, three beings that make up a single team, known as the Godhead. 3 Gods, who have 1 goal, to bring to past the immortality of man.
Log Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 MatthewGI am not saying "three separate beings". I am saying three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.Are they three distinct beings? Are they three separate persons?
Tanyan Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 GODHEAD or in theological terminology - Anchient/Monarch/Eastern/Economic/Social/Godhead/Trinity. . Tanyan LDS JEDI KNIGHT.
Tanyan Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 Are they three distinct beings? Are they three separate persons? Remember in theological terminology "Being" means nature. Person in latin persona means mask.
MatthewG Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 A 'Christian,' according to the dictionary, is someone who follows the teachings and example of Christ. Just because some says "I'm a Christian," it doesn't mean they are following the teachings and example of Christ. If someone says they're a Christian but doesn't follow Christ's teachings, are they a Christian?I think your problem, and most of evangelicals, protestants etc, don't realize, is YOU DON'T MAKE THE RULES. You don't get to decide who is Christian and who isn't. GOD does. You don't get to say what qualifies as a Christian, it isn't ANY of your business. If the person in their heart is following Christ, the best way they know how, THEY ARE CHRISTIAN, THEY ARE A FOLLOWER. You guys don't get to give out the membership cards, you don't decide the rules. GOD DOES, I could careless what you think the definition is, because you don't define it.
MatthewG Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 As I have Loved you, Love one another..... .RIIIIIIIIGGGHHHTTT that means to an Evangelical love me by telling me I'm in a devil worshiping cult. If that's love, they don't know what it is.
Tanyan Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 RIIIIIIIIGGGHHHTTT that means to an Evangelical love me by telling me I'm in a devil worshiping cult. If that's love, they don't know what it is. Forgive Seventy times Seven ! . Tanyan LDS JEDI KNIGHT.
revelation Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 He has given us the oppertunity to become perfect and return to the fathers presence.I know i spelled it wrong. Oh well.Bur Scripture says he has already made you perfect: Hebrews 10:14 "because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."
Log Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 Bur Scripture says he has already made you perfect: Hebrews 10:14 "because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."Ah, thanks for that. That right there tanks Blake T. Ostler's theory of the Atonement.
MatthewG Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 Bur Scripture says he has already made you perfect: Hebrews 10:14 "because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."He has already made me perfect? Sweet, I'm gonna try and walk on water....brb!
revelation Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 He has already made me perfect? Sweet, I'm gonna try and walk on water....brb!That's funny! I like your response! But that is exactly what the scripture says isn't it? He has made you perfect forever.
Akboy Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 I think your problem, and most of evangelicals, protestants etc, don't realize, is YOU DON'T MAKE THE RULES. You don't get to decide who is Christian and who isn't. GOD does. You don't get to say what qualifies as a Christian, it isn't ANY of your business. If the person in their heart is following Christ, the best way they know how, THEY ARE CHRISTIAN, THEY ARE A FOLLOWER. You guys don't get to give out the membership cards, you don't decide the rules. GOD DOES, I could careless what you think the definition is, because you don't define it.Regardless, that doesn't answer my questions. Just because some says "I'm a Christian," it doesn't mean they are following the teachings and example of Christ. If someone says they're a Christian but doesn't follow Christ's teachings, are they a Christian?Where do you get the idea it's none of your business? Christ commanded us to make disciples of all nations and teach them all He commanded. If someone is already a disciple, then there's not much point in teaching them the basics again. They need to move on to deeper teachings. If, however, someone is not a disciple, deeper teachings won't do them much good. They still need the basic teachings. How can we effectively follow those two commands from Christ if we have no way of knowing who is and isn't a disciple?What if someone believes following Christ means getting as much fun out of life as possible, so they sleep with everyone they can, men and women. They lie, cheat, steal and do countless other sins because they are following Christ the best they know how. Are they a Christian? Who or what are they following?
johnny Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 MatthewGI see no difference. So Jesus Christ, died, was resurrected, and then went up to heaven and left his body here? And only needs it when he's "Jesus"?The difference is that one view produces the doctrine of "three Gods" like Joseph Smith taught. Christ did not leave his body here, Christ has a glorified body.Impossible since Peter was DEAD before the end of the 1st.Ignatius was a bishop that was ordained by the apostle Peter. Ignatius learned from the apostles, his writings date from the time of Johnâ??s Revelation and a little beyond. Ignatius wrote about "one God", he did not write about "three Gods".
johnny Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 LogAre they three distinct beings? Are they three separate persons?They are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the HG.
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