Simon Son Of Jona's New Name--kefa

[Doctor Steuss]

If no one is able to provide it by day's end, I will check the indexes of my Nibley volumes tonight when I get home (in the hopes that Cephas/Kefa is indexed in one of them).

Checked what volumes I have and couldn't find anything. I only have 9 Nibley volumes, so it might be in one of the 10-or-so that I donâ??t own.

Sorry.

[Ron Beron]

Checked what volumes I have and couldn't find anything. I only have 9 Nibley volumes, so it might be in one of the 10-or-so that I don't own.

Sorry.

I checked the more extensive GospelLink and nada. This might be a Nibley Nibble that didn't prove out.

[Rommelator]

I checked the more extensive GospelLink and nada. This might be a Nibley Nibble that didn't prove out.

No, no! I have read it in one of his books and that he documents it. Argg! I am so mad that I can't remember it right now! Give me some time to see if I can remember/find the reference.

[DispensatorMysteriorum]

The reference would be great. I got the idea of wikipedia, but I can't find the original reference.

[Abulafia]

I've searched for a link between kefa/kefas and a green stone, and can't find a thing independent of Hugh Nibley

Uat was a green stone, usually an emerald, but also green feldspar in Eqyptian

In ancient Egypt the name for water was uat, which also means the colour green. In early mystical lore, water and green were considered synonymous because water was believed to typify the earliest form of soul or generative essence.

For the Egyptians, the word uat also signified the hard green stone, the emerald, and the green feldspar.

From: http://witcombe.sbc.edu/water/artwatersymbols.html

This author suggests that the Egyptian kefa or sefa, developed into Sophia (wisdom), and originally meant fermentation, he assumes because some ancient religions used alchohol as an approach to the divine.

A prior form of the word in Egyptian, as Sefa or Kefa, meant distilling and the mystery of fermentation.

http://www.africawithin.com/massey/gml1_soul.htm

The Aramaic for stone/pebble was supposedly

eben

eh'-ben

(Aramaic) corresponding to ''eben' (68):--stone.

according to the Strong's Hebrew Bible Dictionary

http://htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kj...ngs/STRHEB0.htm

The Aramaic for rock was

The apostle's given name appears to be Simon, and he is given the Aramaic nickname, k

[Que]

This also on Kefalonia (very nice place to visit!)

QUOTE

Kefallinia, also known as Kefalonia or Cefalonia (Ancient Greek: Κεφαλλήνια ; Modern Greek: Κεφαλλονιά), is the largest of the Ionian Islands in western Greece.

Location: 20,5 E or 20' 30 E, and 38.2 and 38.3 or 38' 12 and 38'18 N.

The Island is named after Cephalus, some think its an island with a head, because the island's name and Cephalus comes from the Greek word for "head".

Mary

So was "kefalh" = "head" in the greek of Peter's time, and is it then possible that this is part of the Lord's pun as Peter becomes the head apostle???

Q

[cksalmon]

So was "kefalh" = "head" in the greek of Peter's time, and is it then possible that this is part of the Lord's pun as Peter becomes the head apostle???

Q

Κεφας is a Greek transliteration of an Aramaic term. κεφαλή is a Greek word that does not, as far as I know, derive from Aramaic. (The equivalent Hebrew term, for example, is rosh.) Perhaps someone else can further clarify, but, I don't see any pun here.

[Ron Beron]

Κεφας is a Greek transliteration of an Aramaic term. κεφαλή is a Greek word that does not, as far as I know, derive from Aramaic. (The equivalent Hebrew term, for example, is rosh.) Perhaps someone else can further clarify, but, I don't see any pun here.

I think the pun comes from Jesus calling Peter a "pebble" and the faith a "rock". I guess it was kind of a backhanded response.

[cksalmon]

I think the pun comes from Jesus calling Peter a "pebble" and the faith a "rock". I guess it was kind of a backhanded response.

Yes, I get that that's possible. Just not hypothetical pun of the transliteration of the Aramaic noun and the Greek noun.

[maklelan]

When Jesus met Simon son of Jona, he gave him a new name--Cephas. "Cephas" (Aramaic--kefa) is the equivalent of "Peter." The name means "stone." According to Hugh Nibley, kefa is an Aramaic word that refers to a green crystal used for divination. In other words, kefa doesn't just mean "stone" but more precisely it means "seer stone."The Joseph Smith Translation of John 1:42 is more interesting now, isn't it?"And [Andrew] brought [Peter] to Jesus, and When Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is, by interpretation, a seer, or a stone..."So, two questions:Is Hugh Nibley right about kefa?If so, how do you explain Joseph Smith's uncanny ability to get these things right?

The word kepha does not appear in the Old Testament at all, and the Peshitta lists the word as simply meaning "stone." As the Hebrew Union College's online comprehensive lexicon shows, it pretty much just means "rock." Nibley tended to attribute to vague words specific meanings that just happened to coincide with LDS scripture and doctrines.

Κεφας is a Greek transliteration of an Aramaic term. κεφαλή is a Greek word that does not, as far as I know, derive from Aramaic. (The equivalent Hebrew term, for example, is rosh.) Perhaps someone else can further clarify, but, I don't see any pun here.

κεφαλή means "head." It's where we get hypocephalus and stuff like that.

[Ron Beron]

The word kepha does not appear in the Old Testament at all, and the Peshitta lists the word as simply meaning "stone." As the Hebrew Union College's online comprehensive lexicon shows, it pretty much just means "rock." Nibley tended to attribute to vague words specific meanings that just happened to coincide with LDS scripture and doctrines.

I thought as much. I did an exhaustive search through all of Logos and couldn't find one hit except for a reference to foot.

[Ron Beron]

Yes, I get that that's possible. Just not hypothetical pun of the transliteration of the Aramaic noun and the Greek noun.

I misunderstood. In Aramaic the passage reads "Upon this kepha (pointing to Peter?) I will build my kepha. (Pointing to himself?)" In Greek it reads a little different, "Upon this Petros (stone) I will build my Petra (rock).

An interesting sidebar to this was when archaeologists were looking under the Vatican for Peter's grave they found a graffito which read "Petros eni" or "Peter is here!" Sure enough...he was or what was left of a man in his sixties.