Byu Admissions

[Baurak Ale]

sorry dcp can't comment. see previous post.

[kamenraider]

I wondered if...

No gossipy bashing!

Oops, sorry.

[urroner]

A friend of mine married the daughter of a GA, and he always referred to the GAs as the royal family, but then he always was a rather cynical person.

I posting a report to the mods that John is blatantly lying here and deserves to be banned. He says he has a friend. We all know better John.

[Daniel Peterson]

It is? I didn't know that. I am taking university credit courses through BYU Independent Study and had to pay from my checking account with my debit card. How do I get a refund and have my account settled with tithing monies.

BTW , I agree , tuition is very inexpensive for a university of BYU's calibre.

I was talking, of course, about tuition, for "students at BYU." I have no idea about Independent Study prices. But I wouldn't be surprised if, even there, the costs for individuals were heavily subsidized.

[kamenraider]

An e-mail (not from me, btw):

I recently heard the Children and (Friends*) of General Authorities receive free admission and tuition at BYU, were you aware of this? Is this True? And do you know if there is a written policy in existence on this and also do you know where I can find further information on this policy?

Kind Regards

The response:

Sorry, I was gone for the holidays and couldn't check on this until now. I hope that's not too late for you.

Yes, they do get free tuition but, no, they do not get free admission. They have to apply the same as anyone else. But they need to call the Financial Services Office to get the tuition cleared. In case this fits you, the person to call is Crystal Frazier at [# deleted]. She is in today but was busy with someone else when I called, so I talked to someone else who knew about it but didn't actually process the tuition.

Hope this helps.

Thanks.

Irene Adams

Reference Specialist

Special Collections

Harold B. Lee Library

Brigham Young University

Another response:

As far as I know, the children of General Authorities (whether all of them, I do not know) and the children of mission presidents receive free tuition at BYU.

I'm quite sure that the benefit does not extend to friends.

I don't know whether there is a written policy on this nor where one would find it.

James E. Faulconer

Professor of Philosophy; Associate Director, Faculty Center

Brigham Young University

A follow-up question to Professor Faulconer:

Thankyou for your reply James it is appreciated.

Do you know how long this arrangement has existed?

The response to it:

This has been true for at least twenty years and probably longer.

A contradictory response:

Two of you wrote very similar questions recently, and I assume you are somehow associated since the questions were worded nearly identically:

I recently heard the Children and (Friends*) of General Authorities receive free admission and tuition at BYU, were you aware of this? Is this True? And do you know if there is a written policy in existence on this and also do you know where I can find further information on this policy?

ANDâ?¦

What is the Admission Policy for friends and family of General Authorities? I understand regardless of grades children of general authorities received instant admission and free tuition, if this is the case I would like to know why? Also I would like to know if there is a written policy on this matter and where it can be found?

Your question can be added to the list of issues that are taken to be fact, but are indeed myths. General Authorities' children and friends do not receive instant admission, nor do they receive free tuition. Since this is not policy, there is nothing written to provide you. General Authorities' children are evaluated under the same guidelines as the typical student.

Best wishes to you!

Travis Blackwelder

Associate Director of Admissions

Brigham Young University

Office of Admissions Services

[kamenraider]

The plot thickens...someone's not giving accurate answers here, I just can't decide who; here's two more responses from email inquiries (again, not from me):

Thanks for your recent inquiry relative to admission to BYU-Idaho. In response to your question, all applicants to BYU-Idaho, regardless of family or association, must meet all standard admissions requirements and deadlines in order to qualify for admission. This includes children and dependents of General Authorities.

We hope this is helpful information. Thanks again for your inquiry.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays,

___________________________________

Riley Hall

School Relations Coordinator

Brigham Young University-Idaho

Office of Admissions

The Church Educational System has jointly decided to offer financial assistance to dependents of those involved in full-time church service. Thus, some limited tuition assistance is offered to children of members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and First and Second Quorums of the Seventy. Please also keep in mind that BYU-Idaho offers numerous scholarships and other financial aid opportunities to all students. For more information on scholarships and financial aid, please visit www.byui.edu/financialaid.

Thanks,

___________________________________

Riley Hall

School Relations Coordinator

Brigham Young University-Idaho

Office of Admissions

[Kate]

The plot thickens...someone's not giving accurate answers here, I just can't decide who; here's two more responses from email inquiries (again, not from me):

That doesn not mean that the children get in automatically...I'm sure they must make the grade first. Why don't you look at the scholarship program...many students get financial assistance, whether children of GA's or not. I don't see what the big deal is and why it seems to bother some.

[kamenraider]

I think it's okay for children of GA's to get free tuition. I'm just wondering why the responses by BYU employees are so different and, in some instances, directly contradictory.

[Kate]

I think it's okay for children of GA's to get free tuition. I'm just wondering why the responses by BYU employees are so different and, in some instances, directly contradictory.

The two responses do not contradict each other. One says that the children have to meet all admission requirements and deadlines, and the other says that children of GA's may get limited tuition assistance. So I'm not sure what you are getting at.

~Kate

[kamenraider]

The two responses do not contradict each other. One says that the children have to meet all admission requirements and deadlines, and the other says that children of GA's may get limited tuition assistance. So I'm not sure what you are getting at.

~Kate

Have you read the entire thread, including the other responses (in my post immediately above the one you refer to)?

[Kate]

Have you read the entire thread, including the other responses (in my post immediately above the one you refer to)?

Yes I did. but did you notice that the other people you questioned were a librarian and a professor. As far as the librarian being sure that they get free admission, she does state however that they have to go through the same admissions process. It is also possible, since she is only a reference specialist in the library, that she only thinks she knows. It's possible that she assumes because they get a break, that they are getting in free.

Again, since the kids have to go through the same admission requirements...is it so awful if they get a break on their tuition? Like I said, the scholarship policy allows for many students to get scholarships and if they are in the needy category, grants and other finacial assistance are available. The tuition is so low compared to other colleges (even lower than our state college) that all students who get accepted into BYU are getting a break. I said at the very beginning of this thread...I really don't get why this bothers you....and it appears it does for you to carry this on so long as to write letters and such.

Are you going to write letters and query all the country's colleges? Tuition breaks happen a lot for all kinds of reasons at many colleges if not all. The GA's kids who qualify to get into BYU get a break of some sort...who cares.

~Kate

[kamenraider]

Yes I did. but did you notice that the other people you questioned were a librarian and a professor. As far as the librarian being sure that they get free admission, she does state however that they have to go through the same admissions process. It is also possible, since she is only a reference specialist in the library, that she only thinks she knows. It's possible that she assumes because they get a break, that they are getting in free.

Again, since the kids have to go through the same admission requirements...is it so awful if they get a break on their tuition? Like I said, the scholarship policy allows for many students to get scholarships and if they are in the needy category, grants and other finacial assistance are available. The tuition is so low compared to other colleges (even lower than our state college) that all students who get accepted into BYU are getting a break. I said at the very beginning of this thread...I really don't get why this bothers you....and it appears it does for you to carry this on so long as to write letters and such.

Are you going to write letters and query all the country's colleges? Tuition breaks happen a lot for all kinds of reasons at many colleges if not all. The GA's kids who qualify to get into BYU get a break of some sort...who cares.

~Kate

I'm not the one that questioned the people. The person who did doesn't have internet access right now, so forwarded the email inquiries and responses to me to post, using a borrowed computer. That's why I wrote that the inquiry emails were "(not from me, btw)" and "(again, not from me)". Like I said before, I don't really have a problem with the "free tuition" part. The idea of applicants getting in without meeting the standards that others have to meet does bother me though. Lyon's comment was discussed on other blogs and boards (and I'm not just talking about that especially rabid anti one) where people posted personal stories confirming that GA's and MP's kids, and sometimes even GA's grandkids, receive free tuition at BYU. I'd post quotes here, but this board doesn't allow cross-posting. Other stories mentioned GA's kids getting admitted to BYU with surprisingly low academic qualifications. It doesn't matter how much or how little these things may bother me or others, but I'd like to get a straight answer about it. I'm puzzled by the assertion that these "are indeed myths". I was hoping that more people that work at or attend BYU would give me more than an opinion about it.

[Kate]

I'm not the one that questioned the people. The person who did doesn't have internet access right now, so forwarded the email inquiries and responses to me to post, using a borrowed computer. That's why I wrote that the inquiry emails were "(not from me, btw)" and "(again, not from me)". Like I said before, I don't really have a problem with the "free tuition" part. The idea of applicants getting in without meeting the standards that others have to meet does bother me though. Lyon's comment was discussed on other blogs and boards (and I'm not just talking about that especially rabid anti one) where people posted personal stories confirming that GA's and MP's kids, and sometimes even GA's grandkids, receive free tuition at BYU. I'd post quotes here, but this board doesn't allow cross-posting. Other stories mentioned GA's kids getting admitted to BYU with surprisingly low academic qualifications. It doesn't matter how much or how little these things may bother me or others, but I'd like to get a straight answer about it. I'm puzzled by the assertion that these "are indeed myths". I was hoping that more people that work at or attend BYU would give me more than an opinion about it.

I have not seen anything here to back up the kids getting in with low academic records. That is my point. Also, the only people in the know about whether the kids get in free are those in that specific department that deals with tuition. The examples you have given have not been reliable ones. For example. My daughter works for my brother-in-law who happens to own most of the city she is in. She gets a rather good break in rent in her apartment because he owns that. The other employees get a break as well, but not as much as her. Now they can all speculate and assume, but none of them truly know what she is paying....except for the person she is paying rent to at the complex. So liken that to BYU professors...most likely they wouldn't know.

[Connolly]

There are three people in my ward who are very glad BYU admitted non-members. Their spouses are too. They became members, and met their spouse, while attending BYU.

[Kate]

There are three people in my ward who are very glad BYU admitted non-members. Their spouses are too. They became members, and met their spouse, while attending BYU.

My daughter had a few non-member friends at BYU as well.

[kamenraider]

Kate and Connolly, are you talking about BYU Hawaii?

[Kate]

Kate and Connolly, are you talking about BYU Hawaii?

I'm talking about BYU Provo

[kamenraider]

Oh, okay. The original post was referring to BYU Hawaii. The person who told me that was CMZ, who also posts here. If you want more details about it you could pm him I suppose.

[jadams_4242]

In a recent Interview (podcast) by Sunstones president John Dehlin with Doctor Ted Lion, after being reminded he was going on record Doctor Lion stated the following, quote:

"When most of the Children of the General Authorities went to the University of Utah rather than going to BYU. That's changed now. Children of General Authorities get Free Tuition at BYU and Automatic Entrance. And so Ah, most of them are coming here now. Did you know that? You don't have to even do well in High School and you can get into BYU if you are the Child of a General Authority" end quote.

The following quote and interview is avialable via podcast on John Dehlins "Mormon Stories".

Doctor Ted Lion, is the son of the renown mormon scholar T. Edgar Lion. He has served as President of the Chile Mission, President of the Mission Training Centre in Chile he was also the personal spanish interpreter to Apostle Holland over a 3yrs while in Chile. He is currently serving as the Temple President of the Chile Santiago Temple.

I encourage a high degree of scrutiny of this post for any errors, as I am curious to know what the precise truth is in this matter. If anyone can contribute by either refuting or confirming this I am very interested. I recently e-mailed a large number of professors and faculty at BYU to inquire if this is indeed true, so far only a few have responded. BYU Admissions have so far been currently unavialable for comment. Five faculty members including four professors had no knowledge of the policy for granting free education to children of General Authorities. One Professor that was aware confirmed that it is true and that it extends to the Children of Mission Presidents and General Authorities and that as far as he is aware the policy has been in existence for over the last 20years at church run BYU.

One question I have is whether BYU is a tithing funded University? I would imagine if it is then some lds that have applied to BYU and been knocked back may have mixed feelings about their tithing paying for the education of the Children of lds General Authorities, while they may receive none even if they pay tithing or contribute to the perpetual education fund.

I would imagine if this policy exists then it would be kept extremely confidential. I find it hard to believe that such a policy exists as I would think many lds would view it as anti-eggalitarian, ecclesiatical elitism and nepotism, and if it is true and does exist then it would give endless ammunition to the Anti-Mormon Community all over the world wide web. I am quite concerned we may not have an apologetic answer for this one.

Tithing funds heavely subsidize this university, {byu} quote from G.B.H.. at first thought when hearing this i was shocked, but after considering it for awhile i relized that there is very obvious reasons why tithing funds would subsidize some students, or other things. And i have come to a very satisfying acceptance off understanding. And i,m sure it is not done in a reckless or passive manner whatsoever, because tithing funds are sacred.

[Muc'ul Ajwalil]

Tithing funds heavely subsidize this university, {byu} quote from G.B.H.. at first thought when hearing this i was shocked, but after considering it for awhile i relized that there is very obvious reasons why tithing funds would subsidize some students, or other things. And i have come to a very satisfying acceptance off understanding. And i,m sure it is not done in a reckless or passive manner whatsoever, because tithing funds are sacred.

For what it is worth, BYU is very cheap compared to the quality of education here with other universities. Our library is number one in the nation, for instance. The only college library that I know of that's bigger than the BYU library and more accessible is the ten story UNAM library in Mexico City. THAT's a huge library in itself.

[Aquilifer]

For what it is worth, BYU is very cheap compared to the quality of education here with other universities. Our library is number one in the nation, for instance. The only college library that I know of that's bigger than the BYU library and more accessible is the ten story UNAM library in Mexico City. THAT's a huge library in itself.

I don't miss Provo too much, though shots of the mountains during football broadcasts can make me nostalgic. But I absolutely ache for that library to be closer than 2000 miles from me.

[grannysue]