What If You Are Wrong

[consiglieri]

The lawsuit happened anyway... for sexual harassment (at one time, I was a looker).

--Seuglieri (Greek for "Hasn't aged gracefully")

It's not the age, Darlin'. It's the mileage.

[SlackTime]

In the spirit of JRG's question for Consiglieri and other LDS, I'd like to ask folks to consider the question, "What if you're wrong?" What will happen to you if, upon death, you must face the wrath of an offended Zeus, upon whom you never called, and whose memory you overtly or silently mocked? How will you feel if the Olympian gods consign you to Tartarus to forever roll the same boulder up the same hill? To be eternally tantalized by grapes and clear water to satisfy your ravenous hunger and thirst, only to have them pulled out of reach at the last moment? Or to forever be writing the perfect post to crush your opponent's pathetic arguments, only to have him each time respond with obstinate indifference?

And if the punishments of pagan Zeus don't frighten you, just think how much worse the kindly Shepherd Jesus will torment you if you make honest mistakes in your belief in him! Can't you imagine him intoning over you at the Judgment Bar, "Father, roast them, for they know not what they do"? You'd better be scared of Jesus!

Don

Luckily, Tartarus was the final location of all people good or bad, and it was only your treatment/reward for eternity that is in question. Hades, not being particularly fond of his older brother probably won't hold it against you that you didn't worship Zeus, but that you equated his domain with the Christian Hell??? That he might take exception to.

-SlackTime

[SolarPowered]

When I was a young man I always thought 'THOR" Son of ODIN ROCKED !!!.

Thor is dead. His people, facing their looming deaths because of their genetic tampering of their genomes, recently committed mass suicide by "supernovaing" their homeworld so their advanced technology wouldn't fall into the hands of the Ori.

[SolarPowered]

I thought that Zeus was just the Greek version of Elohim? So, I don't see a problem here...

[DonBradley]

I've been careful to not mock Zeus.

Actually, I've probably done well here as well--with the exception of this thread!

And Zeus may take pity since I once sent him a balloon.

Don

[DonBradley]

Luckily, Tartarus was the final location of all people good or bad, and it was only your treatment/reward for eternity that is in question. Hades, not being particularly fond of his older brother probably won't hold it against you that you didn't worship Zeus, but that you equated his domain with the Christian Hell??? That he might take exception to.

Ha! I have you now young Skywalker!

The domain Hades was known, by inexplicable coincidence, as Hades, but Tartarus, the Greek outer darkness, was a place of special torment "as far beneath Hades as heaven is high above the earth." The gods reserved punishment therein for the most heinous of offenses against them--such as thinking they could not match the torments of the Christian hell!

Don

[SlackTime]

Ha! I have you now young Skywalker!

The domain Hades was known, by inexplicable coincidence, as Hades, but Tartarus, the Greek outer darkness, was a place of special torment "as far beneath Hades as heaven is high above the earth." The gods reserved punishment therein for the most heinous of offenses against them--such as thinking they could not match the torments of the Christian hell!

Don

Oh well, I figure I'm doomed anyway. I always cheer for Herakles and you know how Hades HATES that! But maybe it'll win me some kudos from Zeus

-SlackTime

[Jigglysaint]

If we're headed for the underworld...! I'm still hoping to be placed among the Pleiades.

BTW, Tsu, I'm a Scorpio as well. I have no idea what planet was ascendant at my birth; but if this determines which god we spend our afterlife with, I'm hoping it's the second planet.

Don

Sweet, thee Scorpios so far. Not sure of my acendant, but I heard Venus or somthing, or at least somthing to do with Libra, which is God's cruel joke to me since I tend not to get along well with libras.

Pluto does rule Scoripo though, so yeah, we seem more inclined towards the hell part of things. Actually we tend to be more death oriented, and also Scoprio rules over the reproductive system and things like wills and stuff.

[Tsuzuki]

Hades is cooler than Zeus, anyway.

Yes, you heard me say it. He's better than Poseidon too.

[DonBradley]

Oh well, I figure I'm doomed anyway. I always cheer for Herakles and you know how Hades HATES that! But maybe it'll win me some kudos from Zeus

-SlackTime

True!

But your best bet for getting Zeus' positive attention is to become a beautiful woman (if you are not one already). Then he'll turn himself into a golden shower curtain or something, you'll conceive his half-divine child, and Hera will strike you dead.

Oh well, it was worth a try.

Don

[Bach]

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDSSSSSSSSSSS

[SlackTime]

Sweet, thee Scorpios so far. Not sure of my acendant, but I heard Venus or somthing, or at least somthing to do with Libra, which is God's cruel joke to me since I tend not to get along well with libras.

Pluto does rule Scoripo though, so yeah, we seem more inclined towards the hell part of things. Actually we tend to be more death oriented, and also Scoprio rules over the reproductive system and things like wills and stuff.

WHOA, I'm Scorpio too, this could be apocalyptic! A wiccan at my work gave me a star chart for my birth, Rising Sign, Leo, Sun in Scorpio, Moon in Leo, Mercury in Libra, Venus in Sagitarius, Mars in Libra, Jupiter in Leo, Saturn in Scorpio, Uranus in Leo, Neptune in Libra, Pluto in Leo. She said she made it because I was an unusual scorpio... Was I being insulted?

-SlackTime

[DonBradley]

Hades is cooler than Zeus, anyway.

Yes, you heard me say it. He's better than Poseidon too.

Oh sure, you're just trying to feather your underworld nest.

Sweet, thee Scorpios so far. Not sure of my acendant, but I heard Venus or somthing, or at least somthing to do with Libra, which is God's cruel joke to me since I tend not to get along well with libras.

Pluto does rule Scoripo though, so yeah, we seem more inclined towards the hell part of things. Actually we tend to be more death oriented, and also Scoprio rules over the reproductive system and things like wills and stuff.

Although I'm on the cusp of Libra as well, I too fail to get along with libertarians.

That's interesting that Scorpio rules the reproductive system. I have trouble mentally placing a scorpion anywhere near the reproductive system; but maybe that danger is why he rules it.

Don

[All-Seeing Eye]

In the spirit of JRG's question for Consiglieri and other LDS, I'd like to ask folks to consider the question, "What if you're wrong?" What will happen to you if, upon death, you must face the wrath of an offended Zeus, upon whom you never called, and whose memory you overtly or silently mocked? How will you feel if the Olympian gods consign you to Tartarus to forever roll the same boulder up the same hill? To be eternally tantalized by grapes and clear water to satisfy your ravenous hunger and thirst, only to have them pulled out of reach at the last moment? Or to forever be writing the perfect post to crush your opponent's pathetic arguments, only to have him each time respond with obstinate indifference?

And if the punishments of pagan Zeus don't frighten you, just think how much worse the kindly Shepherd Jesus will torment you if you make honest mistakes in your belief in him! Can't you imagine him intoning over you at the Judgment Bar, "Father, roast them, for they know not what they do"? You'd better be scared of Jesus!

Don

Pfft. Who could believe in a God who hurls lightning bolts at mortals when he becomes upset with them?

[Cold Steel]

In the spirit of JRG's question for Consiglieri and other LDS, I'd like to ask folks to consider the question, "What if you're wrong?" What will happen to you if, upon death, you must face the wrath of an offended Zeus, upon whom you never called, and whose memory you overtly or silently mocked?

What will I do? Ah say, what will I do? I'll look that old geizer right in the eye and I'll do just what Adam did.

I'll blame everything on my wife!

How will you feel if the Olympian gods consign you to Tartarus to forever roll the same boulder up the same hill?

Won't be that much different than what I'm doing now.

Actually, I'm a huge fan of Olympian Zeus. Not that he ever did anything for any mortal (except get her pregnant and in trouble with his wife). He smiled favorably on the runner Achilles, but once the hero caught an arrow in the heel, the Greek was toast! No matter what one did on Earth, for the most part, once the coin went under the tongue, one was on his or her own.

I was more inclined to Hermes, Athena and Douglas MacArthur.

[The Nehor]

I personally have called upon Zeus. Since he did not smite my enemies with lightning I've decided if he exists he is not all-powerful and at best is a subordinate deity or an angel with delusions of grandeur. I'm more inclined to go visit Valhalla in the afterlife anyways.

[Tarski]

WHOA, I'm Scorpio too,!

Me too.

[erichard]

... I'd like to ask folks to consider the question, "What if you're wrong?" What will happen to you if, upon death, you must face the wrath of an offended Zeus, upon whom you never called, and whose memory you overtly or silently mocked? ...

What if the legends of Zeus were based on earlier stories about Judah?

Some people believe that the original Greeks were actually the sons of Zerah, the son of Judah. 1 Chronicles 2:6 names them: "Zimri, and Ethan, and Heman, and Calcol, and Dara". But they were not named among the 70 who went to Egypt at the time Joseph brought his father and brethren down. So legend has it that that is because they went to Greece and started that civilization. And of course they developed their theology from early family stories.

Here is a link that identifies Zeus as Judah, and Saturn as his father Jacob. OK, the legends must have been embellished, but that is only human nature.

Maybe all the former legends all over the world originally came from the truth faith.

Richard

[erichard]

Well, as a Scorpio with Pluto conjunct the Ascendant in my natal chart, I've always been more a fan of Hades. But Zeus is still welcome to hang out with us in the underworld.

Does it not concern you that the Astrology charts were made 2500 years ago? And that the signs have shifted about one sign since then in the real world?

I was born in late April, so I am told I am a Taurus. However, when I look at the stars on my birthday via the computer, the sun was actually in Aries. If you are a Scorpio by the dates used, the sun was probably actually in Libra. Hmm.

Astrology is illogical anyway, this little problem complicates it even more, I would think. The only explanation I can think of to justify Astrology is that the positions of the sun, moon and stars are "signs" given us to know that celestial influences -- which we otherwise would not know about-- are present. That seems conceivable to me. But what these signs means would have to come by revelation, and I do not trust today's astrology after 2500 years, even IF it originally was given by revelation.

Just some thoughts.

Richard

[SolarPowered]

Does it not concern you that the Astrology charts were made 2500 years ago? And that the signs have shifted about one sign since then in the real world?

Are you sure about that date? John Pratt's writings talk about the constellations having been established around the time of Enoch, which is considerably more than 2,500 years ago.

[Cold Steel]

I personally have called upon Zeus. Since he did not smite my enemies with lightning I've decided if he exists he is not all-powerful and at best is a subordinate deity or an angel with delusions of grandeur. I'm more inclined to go visit Valhalla in the afterlife anyways.

Zeus doesn't always use lightning. Sometimes he uses diarrhea and chiggers. Although it lacks the pizazz of lightning, it can get his point across.

As for the Norse gods, they all died. They weren't really all that immortal when push came to shove.

[structurecop]

I was more inclined to Hermes, Athena and Douglas MacArthur.

According to the military Talmud, General MacArthur was translated into heaven. "Old soldiers never die, they just fade away."

[SolarPowered]

As for the Norse gods, they all died. They weren't really all that immortal when push came to shove.

That was so sad!

What I didn't entirely follow, was LTC Carter able to preserve their vast knowledge, or was that lost in their efforts to save themselves?

[Tsuzuki]

Does it not concern you that the Astrology charts were made 2500 years ago? And that the signs have shifted about one sign since then in the real world?

I was born in late April, so I am told I am a Taurus. However, when I look at the stars on my birthday via the computer, the sun was actually in Aries. If you are a Scorpio by the dates used, the sun was probably actually in Libra. Hmm.

Astrology is illogical anyway, this little problem complicates it even more, I would think. The only explanation I can think of to justify Astrology is that the positions of the sun, moon and stars are "signs" given us to know that celestial influences -- which we otherwise would not know about-- are present. That seems conceivable to me. But what these signs means would have to come by revelation, and I do not trust today's astrology after 2500 years, even IF it originally was given by revelation.

Just some thoughts.

Richard

There are two main zodiacs that are often used in astrology, the Tropical Zodiac and the Sidereal Zodiac. The Tropical is determined by the seasons and the Sidereal is determined by the stars. The Tropical Zodiac is the one that most people think of and most astrologers use. In both of these zodiacs I fall under Scorpio. But anyway, it's all a giant ink blot test of the collective unconscious, so why not go with the flow?

[DonBradley]

I propose that we try an experiment, as it were, upon the word to shed light on this all-important subject. One of the participants on this board should be chosen and charged with giving the greatest possible offense to all gods except those of the ancient Hebrews. If this person thereafter continues to prosper, this will give evidence that we needn't fear the forgotten gods. If, however, this individual is smitten with boils, lice, leprosy, sterility, or a terminal case of acne and/or neo-conservatism, we would all be well-advised to revive their worship. The beginning of this experiment, however, is the selection of an experimental subject.

I nominate Pahoran.

Any seconds?

Don