(5th) Update on Arizona Abuse Case

[Calm]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Sounds like a trauma response. That kind of response is (sort of partially) genetic. The currently prevailing paradigm is that our brains have trauma response mechanisms but until trauma happens they are dormant. If a response is needed with any regularity it can become a coping mechanism and a response in situations that are not truly traumatic. The brain just thinks it might be traumatic. A kind of defense reaction.

I wouldn’t be surprised.  Large family with some weird power dynamics, nothing obviously abusive that I know of except in the case of my 7 year old mom who almost died of a burst appendix because her aunt taking care of her was dismissive of her pain and illness, said she was acting for attention (not mom at all, but I can see Grandma doing it).  Mom was pretty sure that happened because her aunt was jealous of her mom, the popular teacher.  Her aunt struggled badly with her weight and appearance was very important to all the sisters.  Pity is not kind when it’s not wanted.  Between that, a few other minor pecking order episodes I saw, and Grandma’s obsession with social status, my guess is that family had some big struggles before wealth came that left lasting effects.  There might have been mental illness with the mother, though I have always assumed it was dementia that landed her in a mental institution later in life.

Edited January 10 by Calm

[webbles]

The case against the church has been flagged as a "high profile case" in the court website so you can find all the files related to it at https://www.azcourts.gov/News-Info/CV-25-0213.  That has the petition to review, the response, and all of the amici so far.

An interesting thing I found as I read the petition and response, is that the plaintiffs are fine with marking one of the petitions (there are 3) as moot because the handbook that was used by the appeal court was from 2020 and the specific line the appeal court used didn't exist in the earlier handbook.

Also, the church is focusing very much on Church Autonomy doctrine and says that is why the appeals court is wrong.  And the plaintiffs are focusing very much on how this is a secular decision that has nothing to do with church autonomy and that the churches shouldn't hide behind the church autonomy doctrine.

Edited January 11 by webbles