The White Stone and the Temple

[SettingDogStar]

So from some of the assumptions above the White Stone MIGHT be involved with the endowment somehow as we currently have it.

However it is definitely something involved in the future. If we take Brigham Young’s statement and section 132 (and other prophets) to be true then maybe somehow the Stone enables us to “finish” the endowment in the next world.

In other words what we have now is sort of like charades, and eventually we’ll get all the different props to actually make the ceremony effective. 

Since the White Stone provides:

—A new name (The first part)

—Information/revelation on Higher Kingdoms (Providing for a transition from a lower kingdom to a higher one)

—And seemingly, according to Joseph, a Seer Stone seems to only be good until you’ve mastered revelation, then you can coommunicate with the Lord. (The last portion of the Endowment? Maybe?)

Maybe it has nothing really to do with the endowment rituals, but IF we wanted to find a place for it then maybe this would be a good fit? 

Also is there any other record of members having seer stones that were approved by leaders of the Church?

 

Edited December 1, 2018 by SettingDogStar

[clarkgoble]

4 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

I took an entire semester course in the UCLA philosophy department in aesthetic theory and the primary question was whether or not the intentions of the artist "mattered" 

A whole course on artists intentions. Nothing more nothing less.

I am not saying this to hold myself out as an expert, just to make the point that it is a huge question in aesthetic theory.  You don't toss it off with "intentions matter".  If you don't believe me, google "philosophy artists intentions"

[...]

This is art. Perhaps you don't see it that way, but the   is art, and Joseph interpreted it as art, and we interpret Joseph as an artist, if we are aware of it or not.

Not all communications are exhausted or even dominated by their artistic or aesthetic component. Indeed to me it's often a rather peripheral concern.

What's the argument for Joseph's Abraham work to be art unrelated to more mundane types of communication?

 

 

[mfbukowski]

46 minutes ago, clarkgoble said:

Not all communications are exhausted or even dominated by their artistic or aesthetic component. Indeed to me it's often a rather peripheral concern.

What's the argument for Joseph's Abraham work to be art unrelated to more mundane types of communication?

 

 

Every human activity and communication especially is "art."

None is more or less mundane.

This book was life-changing for me. It is so ingrained in my thinking that I do not even realize it came from Dewey sometimes.

Come to think of it this is probably the whole basis for our differences. 

PDFs of the entire book are easily available.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_as_Experience

[Alaris]

3 hours ago, SettingDogStar said:

So from some of the assumptions above the White Stone MIGHT be involved with the endowment somehow as we currently have it.

However it is definitely something involved in the future. If we take Brigham Young’s statement and section 132 (and other prophets) to be true then maybe somehow the Stone enables us to “finish” the endowment in the next world.

In other words what we have now is sort of like charades, and eventually we’ll get all the different props to actually make the ceremony effective. 

Since the White Stone provides:

—A new name (The first part)

—Information/revelation on Higher Kingdoms (Providing for a transition from a lower kingdom to a higher one)

—And seemingly, according to Joseph, a Seer Stone seems to only be good until you’ve mastered revelation, then you can coommunicate with the Lord. (The last portion of the Endowment? Maybe?)

Maybe it has nothing really to do with the endowment rituals, but IF we wanted to find a place for it then maybe this would be a good fit? 

Also is there any other record of members having seer stones that were approved by leaders of the Church?

 

I thought I had posted this here already. Someone made reference to this poem but here it is in its entirety. This reinforces my understanding of the levels of overcoming in Revelation and who we are / where we are on this journey. 

MY OLD WHITE STONE

                                     By W. W. Phelps

O keep my old “White stone,” Father,

O keep it till I come;

The stone I had of thee at home,

Before this world was known;

For lo! in it is my “new name”–

The name thou gavest me,

When I was wash’d and set apart

For the glory yet to be.

Eternity is thine, Father,

Age after age has gone,

And yet, among thy sons, as one,

My spirit moves divine

With light and life, and sense and love,

Through realms where wisdom’s known,

To find, by faith, my path back home,

To my gem–my old “white stone.”

The sweetest joy that seems, Father,

Is now and then a view,

Of that eternal world and you,

That flashes through my dreams,

In some blest spot that’s still and pure,

Where virtue’s bliss is known,

And where my spirit eyes can see,

For themselves, my old “white stone.”

Deseret News,

Vol. 6, p. 416

So we already received our white stone. We as in Ephraim