kllindley Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 The Deseret News just published an excellent article about the variety of Latter-Day Saint stories dealing with LGBT issues. I was particularly pleased to see Josh clarify his position on other people in MOMs. Kudos to Morgan Jones. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900009667/the-weeds-story-is-one-of-many-stories-of-lgbt-latter-day-saints-that-continue-to-be-written.html One section that stood out in particular: "Campbell says the church’s progress in discussing these issues is encouraging. But she also suggests that those in the LGBT and LDS communities who cling to a false hope of a doctrinal shift could create confusion and even increased pain. Mansfield agrees. "When it comes to homosexuality, we're talking about something that fundamentally challenges core doctrines, core teachings, core revelation from the church about the nature of marriage," he said." We have several gay threads open. 3
Gray Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, kllindley said: "Campbell says the church’s progress in discussing these issues is encouraging. But she also suggests that those in the LGBT and LDS communities who cling to a false hope of a doctrinal shift could create confusion and even increased pain. Mansfield agrees. "When it comes to homosexuality, we're talking about something that fundamentally challenges core doctrines, core teachings, core revelation from the church about the nature of marriage," he said." Meh. These have only really become "core" teachings relatively recently, mostly in a reactionary sense. Mormonism is more flexible than that. Edited February 8, 2018 by Gray 3
Robert F. Smith Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, kllindley said: ..................................... "Campbell says the church’s progress in discussing these issues is encouraging. But she also suggests that those in the LGBT and LDS communities who cling to a false hope of a doctrinal shift could create confusion and even increased pain....................................... It is so difficult to get people to understand that fact of life. We need to know where change can take place and where it cannot. Sometimes we simply have to tolerate differences with aplomb.
kllindley Posted February 8, 2018 Author Posted February 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gray said: Meh. These have only really become "core" teachings relatively recently, mostly in a reactionary sense. Mormonism is more flexible than that. Maybe. I accept that reasonable, good willed people can disagree about that. My point in sharing the quote was not to get into a doctrinal debate. It was to focus on the human experience of confusion and increased pain that Laurie talked about. I wish more people would accept that there are a variety of different stories, rather than just the ones that fit their particular paradigm of the issue. 3
stemelbow Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 43 minutes ago, kllindley said: The Deseret News just published an excellent article about the variety of Latter-Day Saint stories dealing with LGBT issues. I was particularly pleased to see Josh clarify his position on other people in MOMs. Kudos to Morgan Jones. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900009667/the-weeds-story-is-one-of-many-stories-of-lgbt-latter-day-saints-that-continue-to-be-written.html One section that stood out in particular: "Campbell says the church’s progress in discussing these issues is encouraging. But she also suggests that those in the LGBT and LDS communities who cling to a false hope of a doctrinal shift could create confusion and even increased pain. Mansfield agrees. "When it comes to homosexuality, we're talking about something that fundamentally challenges core doctrines, core teachings, core revelation from the church about the nature of marriage," he said." Interesting that there are two sides seemingly accusing the other of causing pain. Maybe there needs to be a few measures taken to see which has caused more pain? I don't really think that someone's hope for change should be shamed, but I also get that there are those in committed mix-orientation marriages (sorry Ty lack for a better way of putting it) who don't feel aided or supported by those who oppose the Church's official position. No doubt everyone nails it when they bring up the fact that this remains a fairly complex issue involved many stories and tons of emotion, and, obviously, pain.
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