notHagoth7 Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 44 minutes ago, PeterPear said: I provided 3 videos of actual NASA footage... I intend on watching them soon.
thesometimesaint Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) Joseph Fielding Smith said he wrong about men not going into space and/or to the moon. SEE http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_science/Joseph_Fielding_Smith_claimed_that_man_would_never_walk_on_the_Moon You might like this. SEE http://www.ldsliving.com/Mormons-Who-Pioneered-the-Space-Program/s/77212 Edited February 25, 2017 by thesometimesaint
Robert F. Smith Posted February 25, 2017 Author Posted February 25, 2017 3 hours ago, PeterPear said: I'm not disputing the existence of the Saturn V rocket, or astronauts orbited the Earth, or that Neil Tyson can do the Chicken Dance. It's the moon landings being disputed, which was the premise of the OP that man has been on the moon and plans on going to and colonizing Mars in 2030, then the Church will rocket missionaries to the Martian surface. LOL! 3 hours ago, PeterPear said: I provided 3 videos of actual NASA footage and the rest of you provided a Neil Tyson video & some Capricorn movie clips. Yeah, I'm really convinced we'll be going to Mars and missionary work will be needed there. Hey Robert Smith. What's next? A journey to the Center of the Earth? 😄 Well, at least you are having fun in your pretend world, Pete, and I suppose that's the main thing.
PeterPear Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said: Well, at least you are having fun in your pretend world, Pete, and I suppose that's the main thing. Thanks, I appreciate that. 😄 Maybe you missed this in 2009: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/moon-rock-at-dutch-museum-is-just-petrified-wood-1.788375 Afterall, the NASA Astronauts trained in Northern Arizona and visited Meteor Crater which is next door to the Petrified National Forest. Maybe you isolated Utah Saints should learn something about the outside world. http://library.nau.edu/speccoll/exhibits/daysofarchives/lunar.html "Using the cinder cones and craters scattered around northern Arizona as models, USGS and NASA scientists, including Eugene Shoemaker, taught astronauts about geologic features and lunar formations. Seen through photographs in the Paul Switzer Collection, they gave lectures and led field exercises at the Cinder Lake crater field, as well as the Grand Canyon, Sunset Crater, Meteor Crater, and Lowell Observatory. Astronauts ran lunar rover simulations and practiced soil sampling techniques wearing replica space suits in the shadows of the San Francisco Peaks. The training gave them the skills essential for the first succesful manned missions to the Moon."
Robert F. Smith Posted February 25, 2017 Author Posted February 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, PeterPear said: Thanks, I appreciate that. 😄 Maybe you missed this in 2009: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/moon-rock-at-dutch-museum-is-just-petrified-wood-1.788375 Afterall, the NASA Astronauts trained in Northern Arizona and visited Meteor Crater which is next door to the Petrified National Forest. Maybe you isolated Utah Saints should learn something about the outside world. http://library.nau.edu/speccoll/exhibits/daysofarchives/lunar.html "Using the cinder cones and craters scattered around northern Arizona as models, USGS and NASA scientists, including Eugene Shoemaker, taught astronauts about geologic features and lunar formations. Seen through photographs in the Paul Switzer Collection, they gave lectures and led field exercises at the Cinder Lake crater field, as well as the Grand Canyon, Sunset Crater, Meteor Crater, and Lowell Observatory. Astronauts ran lunar rover simulations and practiced soil sampling techniques wearing replica space suits in the shadows of the San Francisco Peaks. The training gave them the skills essential for the first succesful manned missions to the Moon." I am fully aware of Earth-based training for astronauts (makes excellent sense), and FYI, I am a native-born California Saint. Those Utah Saints are a bit insular.
thesometimesaint Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 They also practiced under water, and still do. Space isn't water, but does have several characteristics like water to help in training. SEE
waveslider Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 23 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: John L. Casey has no peer reviewed papers on climatology published in any scientific journal. SEE http://environmentalforest.blogspot.com/2015/01/john-l-casey-and-climate-denial.html Global Warming is happening faster than predicted. SEE http://www.voanews.com/a/who-global-warming-happening-faster-than-predicted/3429127.html SEE http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-24345/climate-change-is-happening-faster-than-we-thought-according-to-scientists.html I think you ought to think for yourself and actually check up to date data on what is happening with the climate, instead of having a complete blind faith in what we are all being told, never questioning the narrative. Of course the El Nino year we had last year brought warmer temperatures that rose really fast, but once that was gone and Winter set in for the Northern hemisphere temperature plummeted so fast that all time record cold has been recorded for most of the globe. It was no where near the, "warmest year ever," as NASA and NOAA predicted it would be. In the Southern hemisphere it snowed 4 times in New Zealand this summer, and I'm not talking about light dustings either. It also snowed in Austrailia and Tasmania this summer. This isn't at all normal. It's like if Tennessee received a bunch of snow in July. Peer reviews mean absolutely nothing if a theory fails at predicting anything at all, especially in 18 years. It means nothing if the scientists who refuse to do peer reviews on a theory that has over an 80% success rate of correct predictions in lieu of corrupting and manipulating information to fit a failed theory that has an absolute 0% success rate at predicting anything correctly at all. We have gone round and round on this topic before and all you have ever done is cite outdated links, when up to date data is what is real, not falsified rumors and fake news stories perpetuated by political agendas and corrupt scientists who are too afraid to speak the truth for fear of being left unfunded by their political money fountains, while cherry picking facts to keep everyone believing lies. I think you would do yourself a huge service to actually open your mind to the truth and look for yourself at the real data. If you don't know where to look you can start here: https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-128.43,8.92,187 for checking global temperatures. You can click on the word, "Earth," and a menu pops up where you can check all kinds of data on the globe. There are a ton of other remote temperature sensing cites from satellites that give global temperature data too but I don't feel like spending too much time putting links up for you since you obviously choose to ignore anything that I post anyway and don't even check into it for yourself. Just so you know NOAA has been caught a number of times altering their data to hoodwink people into thinking that Global Warming is real: https://realclimatescience.com/2016/10/more-on-the-noaa-texas-temperature-fraud/ For daily updates on what is really going on with our Earth's climate you can watch this Youtube channel, which always provides all the links to check on the facts for yourself if you don't believe what is being said. It will help you stay informed much better, if you actually check the facts for yourself too, than if you just keep digging up old stories from the past to justify your blind faith in the mainstream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mWyttDl7Tw If you don't want to check things out for yourself, well then we will just see exactly how feasible it really would be to send people to Mars in 2030, when everyone is starving and diseased riddled due to lack of quality food supplies and suppressed immune systems because they are malnourished due to shortened crop seasons, floods and hail events, let alone all the tectonic disturbances that are going to further the global cooling by volcanic pollution, etc.. I don't want to side track this thread anymore and time will tell the truth regardless of what anyone believes anyway.
PeterPear Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 46 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: I am fully aware of Earth-based training for astronauts (makes excellent sense), and FYI, I am a native-born California Saint. Those Utah Saints are a bit insular. Oh! So you have seen moon rocks in Northern Arizona. 👍 😁
Robert F. Smith Posted February 25, 2017 Author Posted February 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, PeterPear said: Oh! So you have seen moon rocks in Northern Arizona. 👍 😁 The real question would be, Can you tell the difference between fake and real moon rocks? Howso? https://www.spaceanswers.com/q-and-a/how-different-is-moon-rock-and-earth-rock/ .
PeterPear Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said: The real question would be, Can you tell the difference between fake and real moon rocks? Howso? https://www.spaceanswers.com/q-and-a/how-different-is-moon-rock-and-earth-rock/ . Years ago I was thumbing through the ASU College course catalog (to compare it to BYU) when the course description for "Mars Geology 101" caught my eye. The last sentence stated: "Field trip required." 😄 So either 20-something college students have been to Mars already, or Arizona also has Martian rocks. 😉 But I heard the Mojave Desert in So. Cal also has Martian rocks.
PeterPear Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: Joseph Fielding Smith said he wrong about men not going into space and/or to the moon. SEE http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_science/Joseph_Fielding_Smith_claimed_that_man_would_never_walk_on_the_Moon You might like this. SEE http://www.ldsliving.com/Mormons-Who-Pioneered-the-Space-Program/s/77212 No offense, but LDSLiving missed an LDS Astronaut at least one who never made it to space. His widow and her 5 children were my neighbors here in AZ. She was one of the sweetest ladies I've ever known and her children the nicest and faithful members of the Church. She had photographs of her husband next to his fighter plane and with Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson and news anchor Walter Cronkite. He was selected along with Neil Armstrong for the later cancelled Dyna-Soar program - Space Shuttle type space program with a reusable space plane. After the program was cancelled by Defense Secretary McNamara (being his political persuasion didn't trust the Military, thus the "citizen-oversight" NASA was created) he left the program. I won't reveal his name, not my place to, but you can see the list of men here and if you have any you can use your powers of deduction: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-20_Dyna-Soar Edited February 25, 2017 by PeterPear Typo
PeterPear Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) Robert F. Smith - check out this video. A moonscape with craters created in a lava field outside of Flagstaff, AZ. (The video doesn't exactly fit the page, so if you can isolate its URL you can see the other third of the screen.) But notce after the detonations *how a helicopter* is flown over it to compare it to the same photographed lunar area on the moon Mare Tranquillitats. What? Isn't that the location of where man first set foot on the moon? https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/rpif/videos/making-craters A helicopter? Sure looks similar to the Moon landing. 😏😄 Look! Houston Control laughing at the astronauts when they discovered "volcanic mix" 😏 Edited February 25, 2017 by PeterPear
Marmonboy Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 Faith is a wonderful thing, as long as it is faith in the right thing. The moon landing hoax idea has been proven wrong over and over again so many times that it ceases to be fun anymore. Every single objection has been explained by professionals, some of which have nothing to do with NASA. The landers, complete with tire tracks from the rovers, have been photographed several times. The list goes on and on. Some people will never believe unless they see it with their own eyes, and even then they won't. 2
PeterPear Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Marmonboy said: Faith is a wonderful thing, as long as it is faith in the right thing. The moon landing hoax idea has been proven wrong over and over again so many times that it ceases to be fun anymore. Every single objection has been explained by professionals, some of which have nothing to do with NASA. The landers, complete with tire tracks from the rovers, have been photographed several times. The list goes on and on. Some people will never believe unless they see it with their own eyes, and even then they won't. Oh sure. Because Neil Armstrong was able to succesfully land on the moon with a parachute on May 6, 1968, 14 months before the Apollo 11 landing on the moon in July 1969. The Lunar Lander wasn't perfected in time! Let alone with two men in it! But the Apollo Astronauts landed on the moon in time before the decade was over - which was JFK's famous line. Which portion of your eyes do you need? Edited February 25, 2017 by PeterPear
Robert F. Smith Posted February 25, 2017 Author Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, PeterPear said: Robert F. Smith - check out this video. A moonscape with craters created in a lava field outside of Flagstaff, AZ. (The video doesn't exactly fit the page, so if you can isolate its URL you can see the other third of the screen.) But notce after the detonations *how a helicopter* is flown over it to compare it to the same photographed lunar area on the moon Mare Tranquillitats. What? Isn't that the location of where man first set foot on the moon? https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/rpif/videos/making-craters A helicopter? Sure looks similar to the Moon landing. 😏😄 Look! Houston Control laughing at the astronauts when they discovered "volcanic mix" 😏 You sure you're not confusing Gene Rodenberry with Gene Cernan?
thesometimesaint Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 3 hours ago, waveslider said: I think you ought to think for yourself and actually check up to date data on what is happening with the climate, instead of having a complete blind faith in what we are all being told, never questioning the narrative. Of course the El Nino year we had last year brought warmer temperatures that rose really fast, but once that was gone and Winter set in for the Northern hemisphere temperature plummeted so fast that all time record cold has been recorded for most of the globe. It was no where near the, "warmest year ever," as NASA and NOAA predicted it would be. In the Southern hemisphere it snowed 4 times in New Zealand this summer, and I'm not talking about light dustings either. It also snowed in Austrailia and Tasmania this summer. This isn't at all normal. It's like if Tennessee received a bunch of snow in July. Peer reviews mean absolutely nothing if a theory fails at predicting anything at all, especially in 18 years. It means nothing if the scientists who refuse to do peer reviews on a theory that has over an 80% success rate of correct predictions in lieu of corrupting and manipulating information to fit a failed theory that has an absolute 0% success rate at predicting anything correctly at all. We have gone round and round on this topic before and all you have ever done is cite outdated links, when up to date data is what is real, not falsified rumors and fake news stories perpetuated by political agendas and corrupt scientists who are too afraid to speak the truth for fear of being left unfunded by their political money fountains, while cherry picking facts to keep everyone believing lies. I think you would do yourself a huge service to actually open your mind to the truth and look for yourself at the real data. If you don't know where to look you can start here: https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-128.43,8.92,187 for checking global temperatures. You can click on the word, "Earth," and a menu pops up where you can check all kinds of data on the globe. There are a ton of other remote temperature sensing cites from satellites that give global temperature data too but I don't feel like spending too much time putting links up for you since you obviously choose to ignore anything that I post anyway and don't even check into it for yourself. Just so you know NOAA has been caught a number of times altering their data to hoodwink people into thinking that Global Warming is real: https://realclimatescience.com/2016/10/more-on-the-noaa-texas-temperature-fraud/ For daily updates on what is really going on with our Earth's climate you can watch this Youtube channel, which always provides all the links to check on the facts for yourself if you don't believe what is being said. It will help you stay informed much better, if you actually check the facts for yourself too, than if you just keep digging up old stories from the past to justify your blind faith in the mainstream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mWyttDl7Tw If you don't want to check things out for yourself, well then we will just see exactly how feasible it really would be to send people to Mars in 2030, when everyone is starving and diseased riddled due to lack of quality food supplies and suppressed immune systems because they are malnourished due to shortened crop seasons, floods and hail events, let alone all the tectonic disturbances that are going to further the global cooling by volcanic pollution, etc.. I don't want to side track this thread anymore and time will tell the truth regardless of what anyone believes anyway. SEE http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings/ It is not getting colder. SEE https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-noaa-data-show-2016-warmest-year-on-record-globally SEE http://earththeoperatorsmanual.com/main-video/how-to-talk-to-an-ostrich
PeterPear Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: You sure you're not confusing Gene Rodenberry with Gene Cernan? Still, a cool video, making craters. (I'm impressed by the primer cord.) I was fascinated with the Apollo landings when I was a kid. I'm disappointed I found all this stuff. Anyway, good luck on the Mars Missions.
waveslider Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 On 2/25/2017 at 0:39 PM, thesometimesaint said: SEE http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings/ It is not getting colder. SEE https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-noaa-data-show-2016-warmest-year-on-record-globally SEE http://earththeoperatorsmanual.com/main-video/how-to-talk-to-an-ostrich Again you post a very old and outdated video from 2008. It says it is scientific yet completely fails to add a whole slew of energy bombarding our planet in ways that effect our climate too. It only talks of radiation and how some of that gets converted into the longer infrared wavelength which does get blocked by some gases, but not nearly enough to cause a run away effect of global warming. It doesn't take into account the weakening electromagnetic shield protecting Earth as it has been mirroring the Sun's weakening of activity. It also doesn't take into account the fact that we are being bombarded by more cosmic rays than we have in the so called global warming time frame, which have been shown to cause more cloud cover which actually reflects the Sun's radiation more, making it less likely for the Earth to absorb it and create infrared energy to be radiated back out. See this in order to understand what I am talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ Even on sunny days, snow and ice brought on by more clouds in the form of precipitation, also reflect the Sun's radiation too. Less heat getting to the Earth means less heat to get trapped. Your video doesn't take into account for the increased solar wind output that has increased exponentially with the Sun's weakening of activity which allows for far more coronal holes, allowing more solar wind to escape the Sun and a weakened electromagnetic Earth shield blocking less of it. When this energy hits the Earth it has been shown to cause the release of tectonic pressure that has built up here on Earth: http://earthchanges.org/ Volcanic particulates further block the Sun's radiation from reaching Earth as it gets reflected off of the ash clouds. Again less heat means less heat getting trapped. It isn't very scientific if it doesn't put all of the data in it's theories, even if it is a scientist claiming it is scientific to do so. As far as the temperature data you have given here.... I already have shown how NOAA and NASA have altered data to fit their global warming narrative, but if it wasn't enough here is more: http://principia-scientific.org/washington-post-shamed-global-warming-fake-news/ So it isn't going to hold water for me either. It is far better to actually study the real time temperatures on sites like I linked to on my last reply from this thread. If you take a screen shot everyday and then average it out yourself you will see for yourself how NOAA and NASA flat out lie about their temperature data. You can start now and I'm quite certain that within just a few months you too will see just how far fetched they will say it is when they update it. It is glaringly evident by your continued use of outdated arguments and your complete blind faith in so called, "authority figures'," data, that you don't ever study any of this on your own so please stop regurgitating what you have been told in a vain effort to sway my belief in the facts that I personally study on a daily basis, and have studied in this way for five years now. I won't try to sway you either as it is evident that you are set in your belief. I will agree to disagree with you so we don't further high jack this thread. It wasn't my intention to do so when I first commented on this thread and it isn't fair to the original poster of this thread to have it shut down in a vane effort to see who can yell over the other on this one side topic. I respect you for wanting to believe what we are all told by those supposed authorities on the subject, I just can't believe them when they have been caught so red handed fabricating made up stats so many times, even though I wish I could trust them.
thesometimesaint Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 2016 is not very old. CO2 traps heat. SEE http://www.co2science.org/subject/questions/1998/greenhouse.php We're not in a runaway situation. We have doubled the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. Which has increase the temperature by 11/2 and 2 degrees. Here is why we know it isn't the sun. SEE
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