The Nehor Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 This is actually a fascinating concept, Its was a tough book to brake open due to the double encryption cipher. I’ve gotten quite far along and you actually might be astonished at what I have uncovered. I wrote another paper entitled: “The Book of Mormon and the Westward Expansion” and believe it or not it deals with the transatlantic railroad. Link: https://www.academia.edu/7892970/The_Mormon_CipherWhy would I want to read the ramblings of a nutcase? 1
Silhouette Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 This is because Rosicrucians believe much of the modern mysteries can trace their origin to the ancient mysteries, such as Egypt. This was Joseph Smith' belief as well, as evidenced by the Endowment and Book of Abraham. It is also a belief held by some masons. The real debate could probably be how ancient the Kabbalah is, since masonry and rosicrucianism both are derived from there, and Mormonism has paralells with it as well.As for cyphers, they are usually taught to members as a way to conceal the words of ritual work so you can take it away from the temple and study it before the next meeting. This is why I'm surprised to see someone saying it is being used to cover up the true origins of Mormonism, assuming John Dee is the true author of the Book of Mormon. It just seems like an awful lot of time to be spent by an English government agent who made no profit on the book, and Joseph Smith would have no incentive to use the cypher as it would leave the door always open that Mormonism could be proven a fraud.If someone could clear this up for me I am still not understanding the theory and it's full implications.Thank you for explaining about the mummies we saw. I'd always wondered about that, but now it makes sense.
drums12 Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Why would I want to read the ramblings of a nutcase?My thoughts exactly. I started to read his paper, but it didn't take long to realize it was nonsense.
bjw Posted November 19, 2014 Author Posted November 19, 2014 Thank you for explaining about the mummies we saw. I'd always wondered about that, but now it makes sense.Silouette, you're welcome. Some of this stuff is interesting to study.My thoughts exactly. I started to read his paper, but it didn't take long to realize it was nonsense.I don't think he is necessarily a nutcase as he is able to prove his point with mathematical theorems. My issue is, has this cypher been used in any other manifesto or occult publication, or could this just be an interesting coincidence made from cherrypicking out of Omni and Ether and matching it to names of Book of Mormon books?
The Nehor Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 I don't think he is necessarily a nutcase as he is able to prove his point with mathematical theorems. My issue is, has this cypher been used in any other manifesto or occult publication, or could this just be an interesting coincidence made from cherrypicking out of Omni and Ether and matching it to names of Book of Mormon books? No, he is not able to do so. He throws encryption methods around. Everything from Bridge (the card game) reporting to random occult encryption methods and then tries to find things that fit. This is not new. There was a wave about the time I was on my mission of people obsessed with the "Bible Code" where God supposedly encoded messages into the Torah. A smart man used their same method on another book and proved that it was equally likely God was encoding messages into Moby ****. Of course some diehards insisted that that is certainly what god must have done.
bjw Posted November 19, 2014 Author Posted November 19, 2014 No, he is not able to do so. He throws encryption methods around. Everything from Bridge (the card game) reporting to random occult encryption methods and then tries to find things that fit. This is not new. There was a wave about the time I was on my mission of people obsessed with the "Bible Code" where God supposedly encoded messages into the Torah. A smart man used their same method on another book and proved that it was equally likely God was encoding messages into Moby ****. Of course some diehards insisted that that is certainly what god must have done. Oh, I get it now that you mention Bible Code. So, its not precluding it from being supernatural, just trying to find hidden messages. I have seen a lot of people do this with the Bible too.
Robert F. Smith Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Quetzalcoatl was an Aztec god, not MayanCorrect. However, the same god among the Maya was Kukulcan (or Gukumatz). So, what's in a name?
Robert F. Smith Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 .......................................................................................................................... assuming John Dee is the true author of the Book of Mormon. It just seems like an awful lot of time to be spent by an English government agent who made no profit on the book,.........................................................................If John Dee had authored it, then that would explain why Royal Skousen finds many words and expressions in the Book of Mormon which were no longer used in Joseph's time -- leading Royal to conclude that the book had been translated or composed several centuries earlier. How did Joseph get hold of the supposed Dee composition? Perhaps via the nearby magician Luman Walters, who had been to England.
The Nehor Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 If John Dee had authored it, then that would explain why Royal Skousen finds many words and expressions in the Book of Mormon which were no longer used in Joseph's time -- leading Royal to conclude that the book had been translated or composed several centuries earlier. How did Joseph get hold of the supposed Dee composition? Perhaps via the nearby magician Luman Walters, who had been to England.And then he encoded secret messages in the Book of Mormon and , after putting all that effort in, apparently forgot about them so no one discovered them until now. And said messages are banal and uninteresting.
Robert F. Smith Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 And then he encoded secret messages in the Book of Mormon and , after putting all that effort in, apparently forgot about them so no one discovered them until now. And said messages are banal and uninteresting.Why even bother with the supposed encoding? Many manuscripts by Dee were never published (including his book of Enoch, which is now in the Brititsh Museum Library), but were simply at his wonderful library at Mortlake (where Elizabeth I often came to visit him). Maybe it survived the burning of his library by the Puritans (they knew he was a magus and hated him).
Alvie J Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 I also Have a day job so please forgive me for my absents. My original Rosicrucian theory and genealogical research entailed a number of different Rosicrucian descendants as found historically living on Americas eastern seaboard in the early 19th century as the inspiration and intellectual influence of the creation of the Book of Mormon. It seemed to me that they might have combined efforts in creating a cryptic masterpiece (to whit the Book of Mormon is most certainly). As they would have been in possession of their family’s collective prodigy (journals) left behind by these hermetic masters. My biggest breakthrough was in the “Book of Ether” as an alchemical text, and the “Book of Omni” as the key to breaking the aforementioned encryption. What the reader must understand is that Cocaine and other spiritual bridging agents were completely 100% legal at the time of the creation of the Book of Mormon. As well, chippers and encryptions were also a common method of hiding formulas from what has always been coined “THE PROFANE” (the un-initiated). My work is highly controversial (at best) and is in an abridged state (I have a lot more!!!) and must be read in an open mind and most important an inquisitive spirit if you wish to understand that which is quite misunderstood by the hoi poli.Take a chance and study my research.You might be surprised. Alvie J. Link: https://www.academia.edu/7892970/The_Mormon_Cipher
Alvie J Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 If John Dee had authored it, then that would explain why Royal Skousen finds many words and expressions in the Book of Mormon which were no longer used in Joseph's time -- leading Royal to conclude that the book had been translated or composed several centuries earlier. How did Joseph get hold of the supposed Dee composition? Perhaps via the nearby magician Luman Walters, who had been to England.It is highly probable that the Sloane 3188 (Dee's Journal) just might be the "116 lost pages" If you read this 1589 manuscript (journal) you will find that it is an angelic cipher. (read carefully) fascinating research!!! Alvie J
Alvie J Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Why even bother with the supposed encoding? Many manuscripts by Dee were never published (including his book of Enoch, which is now in the Brititsh Museum Library), but were simply at his wonderful library at Mortlake (where Elizabeth I often came to visit him). Maybe it survived the burning of his library by the Puritans (they knew he was a magus and hated him). And then he encoded secret messages in the Book of Mormon and , after putting all that effort in, apparently forgot about them so no one discovered them until now. And said messages are banal and uninteresting."Uninteresting?" By no means, 15 different countries have read my manuscript. Fascinating by no means... Ag
The Nehor Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 It is highly probable that the Sloane 3188 (Dee's Journal) just might be the "116 lost pages"So Lucy Harris sent them through a time vortex and then had Dee rewrite them in his own handwriting. Indeed, if one only listens to your theories with an open mind that the noI polloi does not possess one can learn great wonders."Uninteresting?" By no means, 15 different countries have read my manuscript. Fascinating by no means... AgThe whole countries? Really....Ether is alchemical and Omni the encryption key? I find you fascinating. Does every stray thought that enters your brain get categorized as a brilliant insight? Last night I dreamed I was a vampire fighting off aliens. If I were you would I see this as something deep and meaningful and not just the result of bad fiction and television?
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