Help In Finding Something In Jeremiah

[urroner]

IIRC, many years ago, while reading Jeremiah in the New Jerusalem Bible, I came across some verses in Jeremiah where Jeremiah, in the midst of his trials, call the Lord a "dried up stream" or something like that. He was angry with the Lord because of what he had gone through.

Does anybody know of anything like this in Jeremiah or is this a bad dismemory?

I am teaching lesson 7 of the Lorenzo Snow manual the second week of April and my High Priest group leader has warned me against teaching any false doctrine in class. He told me: "aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, cædi." I desparately need help people.

[volgadon]

IIRC, many years ago, while reading Jeremiah in the New Jerusalem Bible, I came across some verses in Jeremiah where Jeremiah, in the midst of his trials, call the Lord a "dried up stream" or something like that. He was angry with the Lord because of what he had gone through.

Does anybody know of anything like this in Jeremiah or is this a bad dismemory?

I am teaching lesson 7 of the Lorenzo Snow manual the second week of April and my High Priest group leader has warned me against teaching any false doctrine in class. He told me: "aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, cædi." I desparately need help people.

I read that a couple of days ago, so let me look.

[MormonMason]

Is it this one?

Jeremiah 15:18 (NJB) Why is my suffering continual, my wound incurable, refusing to be healed? Truly, for me you are a deceptive stream with uncertain waters!

Jeremiah 15:18 (NIV) Why is my pain unending and my wound grievous and incurable? Will you be to me like a deceptive brook, like a spring that fails?

Edited March 18, 2013 by MormonMason

[CASteinman]

IIRC, many years ago, while reading Jeremiah in the New Jerusalem Bible, I came across some verses in Jeremiah where Jeremiah, in the midst of his trials, call the Lord a "dried up stream" or something like that. He was angry with the Lord because of what he had gone through.

Does anybody know of anything like this in Jeremiah or is this a bad dismemory?

I am teaching lesson 7 of the Lorenzo Snow manual the second week of April and my High Priest group leader has warned me against teaching any false doctrine in class. He told me: "aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, cædi." I desparately need help people.

Is it Jeremiah 15:18?

[volgadon]

http://www.bartleby.com/108/24/15.html

[volgadon]

Wow, three identical replies in under a minute.

[CASteinman]

Wow, three identical replies in under a minute.

I know you are trying to convince people you are despicable and I was willing to believe it, but you aren't making it easy.

[volgadon]

It really is an unbelievably bitter statement. Knowing the physical landscape of Israel explains a lot. An achzav (or, nahal kzav in modern Hebrew) is a stream that flows when it rains, but otherwise is a dry rockbed for the rest of the year. When water is needed most- in the long summer months- one cannot depend on it as a source of water in the slightest. In other words, Jeremiah is telling the Lord that He can be depended on only to fail when He is needed most. With the next few verses in mind, I find this to be one of the most powerful, faith-affirming passages in scripture. I mean it. Jeremiah overcame his bitter anguish and resumed his prophetic ministry.

Edited March 18, 2013 by volgadon

[CASteinman]

It really is an unbelievably bitter statement. Knowing the physical landscape of Israel explains a lot. An achzav (or, nahal kziv in modern Hebrew) is a stream that flows when it rains, but otherwise is a dry rockbed for the rest of the year. When water is needed most- in the long summer months- one cannot depend on it as a source of water in the slightest. In other words, Jeremiah is telling the Lord that He can be depended on only to fail when He is needed most. With the next few verses in mind, I find this to be one of the most powerful, faith-affirming passages in scripture. I mean it. Jeremiah overcame his bitter anguish and resumed his prophetic ministry.

Doesn't this have an interesting sort of -- what is it? Is it a parallel? -- in the story about Lehi (a contemporary with Jeremiah) speaking to Laman: "O that thou mightest be like unto this river, continually running into the fountain of all righteousness!"?

I lived in Saudi for a while and near a town called Al Bad that had a dry wadi nearby that seemed to run into the Red Sea. My interpreter told me that there was a tradition of a prophet with his family who lived there for a few years in very ancient times.

I like that Jeremiah's words were kept in the Bible. It shows that the righteous may be pushed to despair and yet overcome.

[volgadon]

Doesn't this have an interesting sort of -- what is it? Is it a parallel? -- in the story about Lehi (a contemporary with Jeremiah) speaking to Laman: "O that thou mightest be like unto this river, continually running into the fountain of all righteousness!"?

For sure. Compare Psalm 1, where the righteous are planted by a stream of water, and the phrase is found in Jeremiah, also.

I lived in Saudi for a while and near a town called Al Bad that had a dry wadi nearby that seemed to run into the Red Sea. My interpreter told me that there was a tradition of a prophet with his family who lived there for a few years in very ancient times.

Interesting.

I like that Jeremiah's words were kept in the Bible. It shows that the righteous may be pushed to despair and yet overcome.

Agreed.

[CASteinman]

Compare Psalm 1

This is a very interesting passage -- and is relevant to our day when people will stand to the side and shake the head and shoot out the lip and say disparaging words to the Saints and mock them from the building seeking to destroy their faith and cast them into mists of darkness:

"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful."

[MormonMason]

It really is an unbelievably bitter statement. Knowing the physical landscape of Israel explains a lot. An achzav (or, nahal kzav in modern Hebrew) is a stream that flows when it rains, but otherwise is a dry rockbed for the rest of the year. When water is needed most- in the long summer months- one cannot depend on it as a source of water in the slightest. In other words, Jeremiah is telling the Lord that He can be depended on only to fail when He is needed most. With the next few verses in mind, I find this to be one of the most powerful, faith-affirming passages in scripture. I mean it. Jeremiah overcame his bitter anguish and resumed his prophetic ministry.

Agreed.

[Calm]

He told me: "aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, cædi."

Rather of the Old School, he would seem.

[Robert F. Smith]

"aut disce, aut discede; manet sors tertia, cædi."

Got the following translation online: "Either learn, or depart; a third course is open to you, and that is, submit to be flogged."

[CASteinman]

Got the following translation online: "Either learn, or depart; a third course is open to you, and that is, submit to be flogged."

I love it and want to memorize it.

[urroner]

Thanks everybody. This is why I love this site!

[urroner]

I found this in Job 6 (NIV):

¹⁴ “Anyone who withholds kindness from a friend forsakes the fear of the Almighty.

¹⁵ But my brothers are as undependable as intermittent streams, as the streams that overflow

¹⁶ when darkened by thawing ice and swollen with melting snow,

¹⁷ but that stop flowing in the dry season, and in the heat vanish from their channels.

¹⁸ Caravans turn aside from their routes; they go off into the wasteland and perish.

¹⁹ The caravans of Tema look for water, the traveling merchants of Sheba look in hope.

²⁰ They are distressed, because they had been confident; they arrive there, only to be disappointed.