bu11fr0g Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Full sequence of the hominid Denisova was just reported in Science. The associated findings along with complete genome sequence from african and south america have strong implications. Noah and a small number of survivors amongst all humans is inconsistent. A relatively recent Adam and Eve as sole forebearers of all humankind is also inconsistent. Many of the assumptions of the prophets and apostles regarding the origins of man seem wrong.
KevinG Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Whose assumptions about the origins of man?Why don't you list them for us.As to the findings. Further light and knowledge is a wonderful thing.
thesometimesaint Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 bu11fr0g:Full sequence of the hominid Denisova was just reported in Science. The associated findings along with complete genome sequence from african and south america have strong implications. Noah and a small number of survivors amongst all humans is inconsistent. A relatively recent Adam and Eve as sole forebearers of all humankind is also inconsistent. Many of the assumptions of the prophets and apostles regarding the origins of man seem wrong.I believe it is more of a difference between what man calls man and what God calls man. 1
mapman Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) What does "human" mean? Human language often distorts issues. Have you considered that when the scriptures talk about Adam being the first man that it isn't talking about genetics? Edited August 31, 2012 by mapman
wenglund Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Many of the assumptions of the prophets and apostles regarding the origins of man seem wrong.Examples?Thanks, -Wade Englund-
bu11fr0g Posted August 31, 2012 Author Posted August 31, 2012 1- Adam and Eve as the exclusive forbearers of all mankind. 2- Adam and Eve as immortal before becoming the ancestors of all mankind. 3- Noah and his family as being the exclusive human survivors of a global flood. 4- Humans being a discrete creation separate from the other creations. 5- thousand year timelines and seals
bu11fr0g Posted August 31, 2012 Author Posted August 31, 2012 I like the idea of human being something like a calling but then dont the small human enclaves become nonhuman then?
Kevin Christensen Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Not everyone assumes these:1- Adam and Eve as the exclusive forbearers of all mankind.Adam is "many". Moses beheld many lands and each land is called "earth." What does that mean? I don't know either but it raises interesting possib ilities. And of course, there is the question of how a ritual drama that can come in four LDS variants, in which many things are explicitly figurative should or can be interpreted.2- Adam and Eve as immortal before becoming the ancestors of all mankind.I think you mean to describe a view in which there is no death before the fall. But Eden as garden need not be the same as the dark and dreary world into which the actors in the ritual drama are cast. It is a different condition and location. We have ritual dramas about human entering into a covenant. Nibley points out in Before Adam, that if one raises the question, were there ever human like creatures that didn't belong to the human family, there still are. What's the problem, if we don't insist on having one? See Nibley here:http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=73And one of his last essays, here:http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=723- Noah and his family as being the exclusive human survivors of a global flood.The key variables here are "exclusive human survivors" and "global flood." See Nibley's Before Adam and the Duane Jeffery's Sunstone essay on various approaches to the flood.https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/134-27-45.pdf4- Humans being a discrete creation separate from the other creations.The interesting phrase in the Book of Abraham is "let the earth be prepared that it might bring forth..." which, as Nibley observes is "future potential tense." The time scales take "until."5- thousand year timelines and sealsThink about "until" in the Book of Abraham, and the various undefined "times." Even Brigham Young was famously agreeable with the timelines of geology.D&C 1, in setting out the authority of the LDS church and its leaders expressly states "inasmuch as they erred, it shall be made manifest," which means to me that an error in interpretation on something like this is no big deal. We expressly told that wisdom comes with seeking, and knowlege comes from time to time.FWIWKevin ChristensenPittsburgh, PA 3
mfbukowski Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Many of the assumptions of the prophets and apostles regarding the origins of man seem wrong.Gosh, I had no idea that these ideas about the origins of man were published in scientific journals. I didn't know that they were even scientists!!How could I have missed this??? What journals contain the apostles statements about the origins of Man?? 1
mfbukowski Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 1- Adam and Eve as the exclusive forbearers of all mankind.2- Adam and Eve as immortal before becoming the ancestors of all mankind.3- Noah and his family as being the exclusive human survivors of a global flood.4- Humans being a discrete creation separate from the other creations.5- thousand year timelines and sealsREALLY??? THAT is in the journals??Wow!!! I always thought those were religious explanations having nothing to do with science!!!Learn something new every day!!
mfbukowski Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Lesson 1:Read the thread before you shoot off your mouth.
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