Calm Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 I certainly am, I said 'may' be saved.But if God doesn't choose to save them all when he could, then how in the world is this an equal reflection of all men having to suffer because of Adam's sin?
djholmess Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 Yep, the world itself is mortal, fallen and therefore all its elements including those that cycle in and out of human bodies partake of that nature.Ok so as far as I am aware (it's not something I have studied I'm just going off the top of my head so take it with a pinch of salt) historic Christianity has never viewed the elements of this world as fallen/evil nature or anything like that. Yes we believe the proper order of things has been disrupted due to the fall - so physical death has come about, man's relationship to the animal kingdom has been disrupted, man now has to work by the sweat of his brow.However they are results of the fall. When we talk about man's fallen nature we don't mean the physical elements he is made up of are bad but that who he is as a complete person is bad - his mind/soul/spirit.
djholmess Posted August 3, 2012 Posted August 3, 2012 But if God doesn't choose to save them all when he could, then how in the world is this an equal reflection of all men having to suffer because of Adam's sin?I could just ask you why is it that all of Gods saved people get to go to heaven because of Jesus rightesouness?Ofcourse men aren't made to suffer just because of Adam's sin, they will suffer because of the sin they willingly and freely commit. The created order and the conscience commend men to do good but they do bad because they love to bad too much to give it up. They are not forced, they could do good if they would only chose to, they just don't want to.
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