3DOP Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 Thank you for that. This reminds me of a thoughtful (as always) article by Dan Peterson in the Deseret news written back in January:http://www.deseretne...ition.html?pg=1Oh my goodness Evangeline. The democracy of the dead! Yes. Yes. That is exactly what I mean. I love the way Dan put it...God love him:Democracy tells us not to neglect a good man's opinion, even if he is our groom; tradition asks us not to neglect a good man's opinion, even if he is our father. I, at any rate, cannot separate the two ideas of democracy and tradition; it seems evident to me that they are the same idea."God bless DCP...God bless you...great, great article. 3DOP
3DOP Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 3DOP,I cannot start topics yet. Perhaps you could start one comparing the two or perhaps you could just message me directly and we could discuss it privately... I am unable to be online too often, so I often fall behind on discussions on the boards. I will not be online until after you are offline tomorrow.No worries Yep...I ain't eager to get anything started now. If, when I get back from vacation, I find that next week is relatively light at work...I'll start a topic on Sunday that will be an attempt at allowing you to clarify your misgivings. We can then perhaps have some friendly but spirited verbal sparring next week if you are so minded. God be with you until then.In Jesus and Mary,3DOP
SamIam Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Samlam...Hi.I think I may have not expressed myself clearly. I am not troubled by LDS opening of the priesthood to all races. I can see how, if I were LDS, I could defend it as compatible with LDS tradition, and even to be expected. I could not see a similar compatibility between your tradition and same-sex marriage. My ONLY reason for bringing up the priesthood issue was to highlight how your detractors hammer on you for being late about that. I was saying that for those Mormons who think that by accepting same-sex marriage, they will gain the favor of the same-sex marriage crowd, that they are mistaken. You will be despised by the same-sexers for being late and it will be noted that you have abandoned the faith of your fathers by people like me.But whatever is true...do it. If you believe that the Scriptures of both former and latter day teach that same-sex marriage is good, then proclaim it from the housetops. If even newer revelation comes that says that same-sex marriage is beautiful, proclaim it from the housetops. But I would have a hard time taking it seriously. It would seem to me like caving in to the popular spirit of the day. I would have a hard time reconciling what you believed with what your founding prophets and apostles believed. That is all I am saying. I really don't have the proverbial "dog in this hunt". I think it would be a mistake for your church. The time will come when this thing isn't the big rage it is right now. You might not live to see it but your children will if you guys pander to the spirit of the age...and in the 22nd Century Mormons will become Catholics because of same-sex married LDS bishops and apostles...just like Anglicans are coming back to Rome because of homosexuallly married bishops in the 21st Century.3DOPWell, since we seem to be in agreement, you are both a scholar and a gentlemen and to be commended for your level headed approach....I wasn't so much disagreeing or anything...just trying to make the distinction that this was not an apples to apples comparison, though frequently people in general are always pointing to the black situation and shouting SEE!!!!! SEE!!! they did it for them, so they better ...THEY WILL do it for us...So I was just developing the rational for the distinctions that indicate it can never be and you nor I should ever expect to see the day when active participants in SS relationships are encouraged to enter and partake of the blessing reserved for those who are struggling to be obedient to the commandments. Edited June 28, 2012 by SamIam
Grundelwalken Posted June 28, 2012 Author Posted June 28, 2012 Can I say that I am so appreciative that this conversation has been pleasant and civil. Your comments have helped me and I hope some of you. Wish all were this congenial. MW
Yep Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 No worries Yep...I ain't eager to get anything started now. If, when I get back from vacation, I find that next week is relatively light at work...I'll start a topic on Sunday that will be an attempt at allowing you to clarify your misgivings. We can then perhaps have some friendly but spirited verbal sparring next week if you are so minded. God be with you until then.In Jesus and Mary,3DOPI enjoy that type of discussion. I used to engage in a lot of religious discussion on a few other forums years ago. I find that I enjoy learning about most religions and religious views as well as correcting errors that others have of what we, the LDS, believe and sometimes sharing my personal beliefs. The issue that I ran into was that many who want to discuss religion with us, or really any religion, tend towards an attack and not so much discussion. I fall into this from time to time myself. As long as the discussion is "spirited" and not heated I would enjoy such. I do not believe that heated discussion of any topic is ever inspired by the Lord. However, a "spirited" debate or discussion is what I believe many of Christ's interaction with his critics were and does not exclude the spirit and are thus acceptable.If you do such, if you could send me a message with a link I would appreciate it. The speed at which topics sometimes get buried sometimes can frustrate an attempt at communication since I am not on as frequently as an online forum at times requires. 1
Solitario Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 I read an interesting quote from one of my favorite General Authorities today:"The gospel's principles do require synchronization. When pulled apart from each other or isolated, men's interpretations of these doctrines may be wild." (Neal A Maxwell, Ensign, May 1993)Considering some of the threads we have had over the past while, I thought this might be an appropriate little piece of knowledge to share. So many of those who want to change the Gospel of Christ to fit their own (or the world's) beliefs seem to forget that we are working on an eternal plan, not something that can be tweaked to the desires of the participants. God makes the rules and they are all interconnected so that we have safety from the sophistry of the adversary. When we begin to take each doctrine and try to mold it to our own desires, we forget that there are other doctrines or principles that also are part of that truth. For instance, many discussions have been had about same-sex marriage and the possibility that the Church will soften its stance on the subject. But what other doctrines/principles would have to change in order to make that happen? Marriage and Family, Priesthood, The Plan of Salvation, the Law of Chastity!! God knows the truths/principles that will make us happy. He has revealed them to us and gives us prophets to counsel on how to live them and receive exaltation. Isn't it a little presumptuous of us to think we can tell a GOD how to run His business? MWI disagree with you.Look at the History of the Church. Speaks for itself.Even many GA's could not foresee the day blacks receiving Priesthood.
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