Lance in TX Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I thought this would generate some discussion...What do other people think of this? I am really happy to see this happen! We need to work together more.http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/60683/Catholic-bishop-addresses-Mormon-Institute-students.htmlCalling it a
LDS Guy 1986 Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I thought this would generate some discussion...What do other people think of this? I am really happy to see this happen! We need to work together more.http://www.ldschurch...e-students.htmlLDS and the RCC have had a very cordial relationship on issues of joint importance over the last few decades. Just because we disagree on doctrine doesn't mean that we cannot work together on things we both agree on!
WalkerW Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I thought this would generate some discussion...What do other people think of this? I am really happy to see this happen! We need to work together more.http://www.ldschurch...e-students.htmlRad. We need something like that at our institute, Lance.
Lance in TX Posted March 29, 2011 Author Posted March 29, 2011 Rad. We need something like that at our institute, Lance. I agree! I would love to see this happen at ours!
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 What a great article. I enjoyed that. It reminds me of the good Catholics I ran into on my mission. I have some of my fondest memories interacting with them.
Garden Girl Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I appreciate the fact that Catholic relief efforts and LDS humanitarian efforts cooperate together at times in bringing relief to numerous emergency situations around the globe.GG
Cherubbish Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 This is a very good thing. We have a Catholic church right next to our LDS building and it may as well be miles away. Although I believe the relationship has always been cordial, I know our ward/stake has extended a hand of fellowship to come together on joint community projects and such, but as far as I know they have always politely declined. Not sure why, unless they fear we may "brainwash" some of their members? We have a lot in common and it would be nice to associate with each other on common ground. Anyone have ideas or experience in developing such a relationship? Cheers.
urroner Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 The Great One, Dan Peterson, came down to a local stake in Orlando some time ago and in the local Muslim imam and the two of them gave a great fireside.
kolipoki09 Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Rad. We need something like that at our institute, Lance. It would beat the heck out of your last visiting lecturer...in quality and in tone. Hello, my name is B--d and I would like to take a few minutes to tell y'all about what all y'all b'lieve...
WalkerW Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 "Hi, I'm Walker and I'd like to explain how Mormon soteriology fits within the context of first century client-patron relationships and ancient Near East kinship covenants." [ ]
elguanteloko Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 I'm telling you, Mormons have A TON to learn from Catholics.
Mike Reed Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Mormon/Catholic ecumenism has come a long way. It is great to see.
LeSellers Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 Mormon/Catholic ecumenism has come a long way. It is great to see. A long way from what? From where Brigham Young helped the Catholic Church secure title to the land its cathedral was built on in the mid XIX? The history is long ans has gone two ways for a long time. Unfortunately, with the recent reluctance of the Catholic church to share its records with us, the road has more than a few speed bumps and potholes. Lehi
blueadept Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 A long way from what? From where Brigham Young helped the Catholic Church secure title to the land its cathedral was built on in the mid XIX? The history is long ans has gone two ways for a long time. Unfortunately, with the recent reluctance of the Catholic church to share its records with us, the road has more than a few speed bumps and potholes. LehiI would say let's work from the social issues we can agree with such as the corporeal works of mercy.To feed the hungry To give drink to the thirsty. To clothe the naked. To visit and ransom the captive, (prisoners). To shelter the homeless. To visit the sick. To bury the dead. As far as having a reluctance of the RCC in not sharing records, I say let's leave that out of the equation. It doesn't help in ecumenical efforts.
Mike Reed Posted March 31, 2011 Posted March 31, 2011 A long way from what? From where Brigham Young helped the Catholic Church secure title to the land its cathedral was built on in the mid XIX? I am aware of Brigham Young's somewhat cordial relationship with Catholics. This does not negate the fact that many other Saints (including Church authorities) struggled with anti-Catholicism. A couple recommended sources:Matthew J. Grow, "The Whore of Babylon and the Abomination of Abominations: Nineteenth-Century Catholic and Mormon Mutual Perceptions and Religious Identity," Church History Vol. 73, No. 1 (Mar., 2004), pp. 139-167.Gregory A. Prince and Wm. Robert Wright, David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 2005).Michael G. Reed, Banising the Cross: The Emergence of a Mormon Taboo (John Whitmer Books, this spring).
kolipoki09 Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Michael G. Reed, Banising the Cross: The Emergence of a Mormon Taboo (John Whitmer Books, this spring).Shameless self-promotion...On a lighter note, to my fellow MDD posters, this book looks very promising. I would say that by and large (particularly in the Intermountain West), Latter-day Saints hold neutral/negative views toward Roman Catholics. I count this extremely unfortunate, but expect a much more tolerant trend to occur in the coming years. I still get odd looks from fellow Latter-day Saints when I tell them I'm contemplating Marquette and Gonzaga (both Jesuit schools) for graduate work.
WalkerW Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 I would say that by and large (particularly in the Intermountain West), Latter-day Saints hold neutral/negative views toward Roman Catholics. I count this extremely unfortunate...I do too. I remember my gospel doctrine teacher asking if the Pope is a "false prophet." I said, "I'm not going to go there." She bypassed any and everyone and went straight for the Catholic jugular. I always say that if I were to leave the Church and remain Christian, it would be Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.
WalkerW Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Michael G. Reed, Banising the Cross: The Emergence of a Mormon Taboo (John Whitmer Books, this spring).I'm excited.
Mike Reed Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Shameless self-promotion...What can I say...?Kolipoki09: On a lighter note, to my fellow MDD posters, this book looks very promising.WalkerW: I'm excited.Thanks Kolipoki and Walker. It is a bit embarrassing that the book still isn't out yet. Patiently waiting for my editor (who has been busy with countless other projects) to complete the galley. I'm going to be really sad if it isn't out by Easter.Kolipoki09: I would say that by and large (particularly in the Intermountain West), Latter-day Saints hold neutral/negative views toward Roman Catholics. I count this extremely unfortunate, but expect a much more tolerant trend to occur in the coming years. I still get odd looks from fellow Latter-day Saints when I tell them I'm contemplating Marquette and Gonzaga (both Jesuit schools) for graduate work.Here is some info that will be buried somewhere in my book's footnotes:Apostle Hyrum M. Smith (son of President Joseph F. Smith) publically attacked Catholicism over the pulpit at the following General Conference (October 1916), claiming that it
saemo Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 For understandable reasons, it was difficult for Mormons to get along with Bishop Glass. Earlier that same year (1916) Glass railed Mormons in the newspapers for dancing on Good Friday.Most Mormons in Utah don't have a clue the significance of the day. So it isn't surprising for people unfamiliar with Utah culture to find office parties happening on Good Friday, with lots of food, desserts etc. (on a day of fasting) let alone church sponsored dances. For LDS, it's "just another day", while most of Christianity is in solemn recognition of the death of Jesus Christ...three days before our joyous Easter celebration.
Mike Reed Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Most Mormons in Utah don't have a clue the significance of the day. So it isn't surprising for people unfamiliar with Utah culture to find office parties happening on Good Friday, with lots of food, desserts etc. (on a day of fasting) let alone church sponsored dances. For LDS, it's "just another day", while most of Christianity is in solemn recognition of the death of Jesus Christ...three days before our joyous Easter celebration.I agree.Incidentally, a few years ago Robert Rees wrote an article for Dialogue on "Why Mormons Should Celebrate Holy Week" (Fall 2004).
Corvus Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 As a lapsed Catholic who is now investigating the LDS faith, I have to ask, do Mormons traditionally not celebrate Holy Week? I thought that the Church taught that everything from the Garden to the Resurrection was part of the redemption of mankind? Why not celebrate all of it?
Mike Reed Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 As a lapsed Catholic who is now investigating the LDS faith, I have to ask, do Mormons traditionally not celebrate Holy Week? I thought that the Church taught that everything from the Garden to the Resurrection was part of the redemption of mankind? Why not celebrate all of it?If you decided to convert... you would be free to celebrate the week on your own, but no... in most wards the only day recognized will be Easter... that is... if General Conference doesn't fall on that weekend. If it does... then you may only hear a couple talks tailored to the significance of the holiday. Mormons generally aren't fond of the symbol of the cross either.
Daniel Peterson Posted April 1, 2011 Posted April 1, 2011 Though its celebration is not biblical and though it probably wasn't marked by the primitive church, I think we should celebrate Holy Week, and that we should put more emphasis on Easter than we do.The reasons that we don't are insufficient. They're not theological or doctrinal, but purely a matter of our social environment. As a whole, we just don't think about it.For what it's worth, as a bishop I led several congregational celebrations of an explicitly Christianized Passover during the past few years. This year, though now released as a bishop, I've been requested by the student singles ward that I led to speak to them at a dinner on 18 April about the significance of Palm Sunday. I'm doing my part..
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