LDSGuy Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 I will add a few things that I can think of that Joseph did.He brought forth the Book of Mormon, Books of Moses and Abraham, and nearly all of Doctrine and Covenants.He established a community in Kirtland, Ohio and built a Temple.He established a church which originally had six members, but now has over 13 million.He sent missionaries throughout the United States, Europe, and other parts of the world.He restored the ordinances of the Holy Temple.He was mayor of Nauvoo and head of the Nauvoo Legion.He helped establish a bank.He had the Book of Mormon published on two continents.He ran for President. (He lost, but most people do when you think about it.)The list could go on and on, but those are just a few off the top of my head. He accomplished more in his 38 years than most people could in 3 or 4 lifetimes.
Minos Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 If anyone wants to argue about banks start a new thread. REMINDER: the days of using this board to raz Mormons by throwing out accusation after accusation to derail threads are over.
LeSellers Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 [Joseph] was mayor of Nauvoo and head of the Nauvoo Legion.It's important to note here that he was elected to both of these positions and that he did not seek either one of them. (In fact, he could have been deferred from serving in the militia, the Nauvoo Legion, due to his leg injury. Further, he strongly suggested that another man, Bennett, be chosen as Mayor.)Its a testament to him that his people chose him for these offices and that he filled them so well. Lehi
Kenngo1969 Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 Monogamy is all about roses and kitty cats from what I hear.Hey, the world thinks plural marriage is a damnable heresy ... Now, serial monogamy, on the other hand, it thinks that is pretty cool.
Kenngo1969 Posted March 25, 2011 Posted March 25, 2011 No offense but for you to call something 'nonsense' almost confirms that it's quite cogent and well-formed. "Ilk" might as well mean "normal-thinking-rational-people-looking-out-for-those-who-lie-in-wait-to-deceive" -- I ONLY have ever wanted the TRUTH. You obviously only ever wanted to defend what you think is the truth and you'll stretch any requirements to maintain the illusion, which is only a little funny but mostly nauseating. God doesn't change, but his Church changes all the time depending on the social requirements at that moment. What's right in one situation isn't right in another. You must give the benefit of the doubt to The Leaders and never look for nor find fault with them even if they manage to force you and thousands of others into bankruptcy, or even if your branch of Mormonism actually is a bastardized apostate branch -- not allowed to look too carefully. And you wrap it all up in a totally subjective spir'tchul bow. Yeah, that's some real solid stuff you can sink your teeth into.If Joseph, and Sidney, weren't responsible for his quasi-bank's failure, then why did they:* have to run away in the dead of night from a pack of armed angry people never to return to Ohio? Persecution, right?* get fined $1,000 each for operating an illegal bank? Persecution?* pay thousands of dollars in the subsequent lawsuit settlements and continue to pay on them until Joseph's death? Must be Persecution.He didn't know squat about running a bank, er, a non-bank acting like a bank. He started the foolish thing. He did it knowing that the initial charter was shot down and also knowing that the Bill in which it was included was also killed. Sure, he started seeing the writing on the wall and tried to divorce himself from it a few months before it went belly-up, but that wall was there because he put it there and didn't know the first thing about liquidity, capitalization, solvency, management, risk thresholds, etc. There were reasons the non-bank-acting-as-if-it-were-a-bank-with-its-foresight-set-on-becoming-a-State-chartered-bank died -- they were incompetent, and many people suffered because of it. Did you ever stop to think about the victims or do you dismiss their experience as some sort of test, and all those who didn't follow him afterward were just spiritually inferior apostates who failed the test?Somebody put arsenic in your oatmeal this morning, Dougie? The Prophet cannot possibly have ever done anything wrong -- it's all a giant conspiracy with Stan always whispering mean nasty things into people's ears ... Oh, I know! I just hate it when Stan whispers mean, nasty things into my ears! Wait ... who's Stan?
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