Raul Lopez Vargas

[Pahoran]

I didn't say the action had to be illegal.

I said that the threat has to be illegal to be considered extortion. The threat he has made is not a criminal threat, its a political threat.

BTW, I figured out the irony. It ironic that people here are complaining that the LDS Church may be dragged into a political dispute.

Almost; but not quite.

The real irony is that on the rare occasions that the Church does get involved in a matter that is being disputed in the political arena, you and your little friends raise enough falsetto whining to break large numbers of windows; to the extent that, just before the whining passes beyond the audible range for humans, the cry is "Tax the church! Tax the Church!" But here, on a matter in which the Church is not involved, someone is trying to drag us into it.

Mind you, since you and your little friends have demonstrated that political bullying against targets like the Church of Jesus Christ is entirely safe -- otherwise, of course, you'd never try it -- this agitator is merely following your example.

Regards,

Pahoran

[frankenstein]

Almost; but not quite.

The real irony is that on the rare occasions that the Church does get involved in a matter that is being disputed in the political arena, you and your little friends raise enough falsetto whining to break large numbers of windows; to the extent that, just before the whining passes beyond the audible range for humans, the cry is "Tax the church! Tax the Church!" But here, on a matter in which the Church is not involved, someone is trying to drag us into it.

Mind you, since you and your little friends have demonstrated that political bullying against targets like the Church of Jesus Christ is entirely safe -- otherwise, of course, you'd never try it -- this agitator is merely following your example.

Regards,

Pahoran

actually, if some of you, went so bent on putting on some sort of bravado every time the LDS Church is mentioned, you may have realized that the what USU referred too on the first page.

USU refers too is one or two thing, first that Mexicans in the United States can travel to Mexico, thus, the Church could call Mexicans in the United States to serve in Mexico, second option is the Church calls Mexicans in the Country of Mexico to serve their own Country. Either way, Senor Vargas, hasn't made a good choice for a battle, because the LDS Church will find a way to continue missionary work in Mexico regardless of what the Mexican Gov. decides

I would say the Church made created a target for itself by making any statement at all. As I stated before, neither sad will ever be happy with what the Church says, does not say, does, or does not do. Its a loosing battle and silence is Golden.

[Vance]

I don't see the irony.

Of course not.

Extortion requires the making an illegal threat.

That is only one of the definitions.

Definitions of extortion (n)

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[USU78]

actually, if some of you, went so bent on putting on some sort of bravado every time the LDS Church is mentioned, you may have realized that the what USU referred too on the first page.

USU refers too is one or two thing, first that Mexicans in the United States can travel to Mexico, thus, the Church could call Mexicans in the United States to serve in Mexico, second option is the Church calls Mexicans in the Country of Mexico to serve their own Country. Either way, Senor Vargas, hasn't made a good choice for a battle, because the LDS Church will find a way to continue missionary work in Mexico regardless of what the Mexican Gov. decides

I would say the Church made created a target for itself by making any statement at all. As I stated before, neither sad will ever be happy with what the Church says, does not say, does, or does not do. Its a loosing battle and silence is Golden.

So close, yet so very far away.

Pahoran hit part of it. Yet I referred to dramatic irony, the one where the auditors are aware of what the speaker himself is (apparently) not (assuming the speaker's honesty, which I'm not sure we can assume).

Come on Francis. You can do it.

[Nathair/|\]

actually, if some of you, went so bent on putting on some sort of bravado every time the LDS Church is mentioned, you may have realized that the what USU referred too on the first page.

USU refers too is one or two thing, first that Mexicans in the United States can travel to Mexico, thus, the Church could call Mexicans in the United States to serve in Mexico, second option is the Church calls Mexicans in the Country of Mexico to serve their own Country. Either way, Senor Vargas, hasn't made a good choice for a battle, because the LDS Church will find a way to continue missionary work in Mexico regardless of what the Mexican Gov. decides

I would say the Church made created a target for itself by making any statement at all. As I stated before, neither sad will ever be happy with what the Church says, does not say, does, or does not do. Its a loosing battle and silence is Golden.

Somehow, I never pictured President J. G. Kimball as being particularly reserved or reticent.

[Calm]

"I kept pretty still for once in my life...silence is Golden. Well I hardly opened my mouth until I heard some men talking about us. They were askin' each other as to their destinations. One of 'em said, "I'm goin' north to escape the Mormons." Another one said, "I'm goin' south to escape the Mormons. The third said, "I'm goin' east to escape the Mormons." Well, something welled up inside of me-I said, "Why dont you go to h*** for I know there're no Mormons there!""

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[Jeff K.]

Which leads to final judgement

[Jaybear]

Of course not.

So genius, where is the irony?

Why is it ironic that Mr. Vargas would seek to draw the LDS Church into the immigration battle? Had Mr. Vargas previously complained about the LDS Church taking an active role in politics?

Yes it is extortion.

"3)getting something by force: the acquisition of something through the use of force or threats"

By that definition, when a police officer raises his weapon and says "put your hands up" he is committing extortion.

Which according to you, says something about his character.

Like I said, extortion. Which says more about his character and that of his cohorts than anyone or anything else.

So humor me, what does it say about his character? If you are going to apply a sweeping definition of extortion that includes legitimate politic activity, what does it say about Mr. Vargas' character?