Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 What is the significance of Jesus Christ being the first born spirit child of God the Father? There were many noble and great ones in the preexistence, such as Abraham and Moses. We understand that these noble ones used their agency to progress and grow and demonstrate obedience and righteousness. Was Jesus initially on the same level as Abraham? Or did his first born status somehow endow him with special status?I once heard that perhaps the first born spirit child somehow inherits a special priesthood
stemelbow Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 What is the significance of Jesus Christ being the first born spirit child of God the Father? There were many noble and great ones in the preexistence, such as Abraham and Moses. We understand that these noble ones used their agency to progress and grow and demonstrate obedience and righteousness. Was Jesus initially on the same level as Abraham? Or did his first born status somehow endow him with special status?I once heard that perhaps the first born spirit child somehow inherits a special priesthood
Doctor Steuss Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 From the Book of Abraham, it seems that they/we are all eternally unequal (which would make the imperative to become "one" all the more important). Some spirits just have better intelligence nougat, and one has the best nougat of them all (Abraham 3:18-19).
Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 ...I think the BoA says a thing or two on it by suggesting there are intelligences that are more intelligent than others. In other words, perhaps we individuals, eternally existing, have made ourselves either great and noble or not. Jesus is more intelligent then the rest, not because God made Him that way, but because eternally He has made Himself that way.If it
thesometimesaint Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Kiviuq:Equality does not mean just the same. We are all individuals with our own likes, dislikes, strengths and weakness, etc., etc.. But we are all equal in Gods' sight, and our ability to return to him. Whether we live up to that ability is another subject.
Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 Kiviuq:Equality does not mean just the same. We are all individuals with our own likes, dislikes, strengths and weakness, etc., etc.. But we are all equal in Gods' sight, and our ability to return to him. Whether we live up to that ability is another subject.I agree. The question remains. Did being the first born give Jesus some advantage? Could spirit child number 480,987,112 have been in the Godhead rather than Jesus because of individual agency?
ELF1024 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 I agree. The question remains. Did being the first born give Jesus some advantage? Could spirit child number 480,987,112 have been in the Godhead rather than Jesus because of individual agency?For that matter, if Lucifer, "Son of the Morning", if he had spoken up first, and gone along with the Father's plan, could he have been the Christ? I don't know the answer to that.However, we know from the Book of Abraham that there were "Great and Noble Ones" even before the foundation of the world was laid. This seems to say that if we were all created equal, some of us has done better with what we had than others.
Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 How do you define equal?Are you implying that Jesus was somehow
thesometimesaint Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Kiviuq:Jesus was/is God. He also said "Ye are Gods". I take that to mean that we are Children of God, every bit as much as Jesus, thus we too have the potential to be just just like him. Being the firstborn is a special privilege and an opportunity. It also entails a great deal of responsibility to our younger siblings. Jesus the Christ spent his earthly ministry ministering to us his younger siblings, teaching us how to become one with God.
Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 No, I'm seriously asking what is "equal". Equal Potential? Equal in Mass? Equal in Volume? How do you define equal, what do you mean by equal?I really am trying to understand where you
Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 Kiviuq:Jesus was/is God. He also said "Ye are Gods". I take that to mean that we are Children of God, every bit as much as Jesus, thus we too have the potential to be just just like him. Being the firstborn is a special privilege and an opportunity. It also entails a great deal of responsibility to our younger siblings. Jesus the Christ spent his earthly ministry ministering to us his younger siblings, teaching us how to become one with God.Good thoughts.
thesometimesaint Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Kiviuq:It is my belief that Abraham has received his exaltation. But no he is not part of the Godhead. IE. I am the first born of my earthly parents. I am now a parent(and Grandparent myself). But I will never be my parent, and my children will never be me.Ps. Advantage? Not in any material respects.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 In light of LDS teachings on "eternal progression" ... was Jesus the Father's literal Firstborn, or was He the Firstborn spirit child after the Father received His exaltation from His own mortal experience? Because wouldn't the children He sired during His own mortality be in a Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial Kingdom of their own, having lived out a mortal probation on the same world the Father lived out His own?
thesometimesaint Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 BookofMormonLuvr:Unknown at this time.
Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 I'm just trying to understand the question. Equal has a variable definition.I don't know if "the first born" has a particular responsibility, as "the eldest" to do what Christ did. I don't know if being "the first born" has any special blessings that go along with it.I would like to think that any of us could have fufilled the role as "The Christ", however I know I for one am not worthy to even consider it.Your great comments suggest that you indeed understand the essence of my question. The idea of the first born having a particular responsibility is interesting. I think that if any perfectly valiant spirit could have fulfilled the role as
Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 In light of LDS teachings on "eternal progression" ... was Jesus the Father's literal Firstborn, or was He the Firstborn spirit child after the Father received His exaltation from His own mortal experience? Because wouldn't the children He sired during His own mortality be in a Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial Kingdom of their own, having lived out a mortal probation on the same world the Father lived out His own?Quite true. We
stemelbow Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Your great comments suggest that you indeed understand the essence of my question. The idea of the first born having a particular responsibility is interesting. I think that if any perfectly valiant spirit could have fulfilled the role as
Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 I don't think your conclusion, as highlighted, necessarily stands to reason here. Perhaps Christ being the "first Born" is the pre-eminent one among all spirits formed. We simply don't know. Perhaps He is First Born, chosen as such because God knew He was more intelligent then the rest, as per the intelligences that make up His spirit out performed the ones that made up your's and mine. love,stemThis is getting deep. Thanks for your comments.
thesometimesaint Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Kiviuq:We all have differing roles we play out. I don't believe that just having differences makes one more like God. Jesus the Christs' role was unique in all of creation, but I don't believe that makes our potential any less than his. To go back to role of the family. Though they will never be me. So while I'm the first born of my earthly parents, that in no way diminishes my siblings potential.
Kiviuq Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 Kiviuq:We all have differing roles we play out. I don't believe that just having differences makes one more like God. Jesus the Christs' role was unique in all of creation, but I don't believe that makes our potential any less than his. To go back to role of the family. Though they will never be me. So while I'm the first born of my earthly parents, that in no way diminishes my siblings potential.The notion of a
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