Cumorah_Ramah revisited

[livy111us]

*Very* interesting, Larry. Thank you for you research, this is great stuff.

Do we have a full translation of "abunden manantiales, lagunas y arroyos.Los grandes rios forman una verdadera red hidrografica y es notableque aun en los cerros se encuentran pequnos fuentes."?

[poulsenll]

*Very* interesting, Larry. Thank you for you research, this is great stuff.

Do we have a full translation of "abunden manantiales, lagunas y arroyos.Los grandes rios forman una verdadera red hidrografica y es notableque aun en los cerros se encuentran pequnos fuentes."?

Just for you Livy and others who cant read Spanish. Sadly much of the important literature about Mesoamerica is only available in Spanish.

foutains, lagoons and creeks abound. Great rivers form a true hydrographic net and it is notable than even on the hills one finds small fountains (springs).

He also quotes a Padre Motolinia who describes the area as follows

habia llovido mucho, y habian crecido los rios, que eran muchos y muy grandes;

it had rained so much, and the rivers had grown, that were many and very large

Historia de los Indios de la Nueva Espa

[livy111us]

Excellent! Thank you! I look forward to your article.

[Muc'ul Ajwalil]

Just for you Livy and others who cant read Spanish. Sadly much of the important literature about Mesoamerica is only available in Spanish.

He also quotes a Padre Motolinia who describes the area as follows

Historia de los Indios de la Nueva Espa

[poulsenll]

The full proposal is now published on my web site.

http://www.poulsenll.org/bom/index.html

Larry P

[mapman]

poulsenll referenced the "Relacion de Misantla" which talks about the area around this proposal for Cumorah. I found it online here: http://www.physiolog...recio/relacion/

For those of us that are interested in what it has to say but can't read Spanish very well, here is a "translation": http://translate.goo...79%26prmd%3Divb

The page also has a map of Misantla from the 16th century.

More info about MIsantla (including photos) can be found here: http://www.physiology.wisc.edu/recio/mis2.html

[poulsenll]

poulsenll referenced the "Relacion de Misantla" which talks about the area around this proposal for Cumorah. I found it online here: http://www.physiolog...recio/relacion/

For those of us that are interested in what it has to say but can't read Spanish very well, here is a "translation": http://translate.goo...79%26prmd%3Divb

The page also has a map of Misantla from the 16th century.

More info about MIsantla (including photos) can be found here: http://www.physiology.wisc.edu/recio/mis2.html

Mapman

Thanks for posting this. The book I have been quoting from is an update to this Relacion but did not include the questions themselves. The update was written in 1962 and has extensive notes related to each of the questions.

Larry P

[poulsenll]

Here is a good reproduction of the 16th century map of Misantla. The Univ of Texas has one of 4 copies of the Relacion de Misantla so I went there this afternoon and took pictures of the Map.

This map shows a number of characteristics of ancient maps in particular those from Mesoamerica. Number one it is not drawn to any scale. Number 2 it is a mixture of pictorials and text. Number 3 it is oriented with east at the top. number 4 East is noted with reference to the sun.

Looking in the upper right hand corner we can see a small picture of a sun. Below it is text saying "aqui sale el sol" translated it says "here the sun comes out". The glyph shows wiggly rays for the sun.

In the lower left is another glyph with the rays shown as straight lines with a bar at each end the notation aqui esta el norte (here is north). Any glyphologists have an idea for why the barred lines as opposed to the wiggly lines.

Larry P