Kevin Christensen Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Some here may remember a November thread in which I asked Richard Abanes if he wanted to see a list of 30 or so Bible tests for true and false prophets, a set of Bible passages describing how to see truth, and examples of how to avoid it, and examples of arguments given to justify rejecting true prophets. Richard was not interested, claiming, sight unseen, that the issue had been worked over bazillions of times before. I think not.Well, tomorrow night I will have a 91 page hypertexted pdf which includes those topics and a bit more. (My current list has 28 Bible tests.) I've written it with 14 pt Helvetica, and put in lots of links and tables, and whitespace, all designed to make it easy to use and browse, and skip the bits that you don't need. I want to make it freely available to anyone soon.However, I don't have a place to put it online. If FAIR is interested, I'd like it there, but if not, I'm open for other suggestions. I should have a few people read it and comment before it goes out to the general public. Anyone interested? Someone from FAIR? Email me and let me know. My message box only has a little space, though perhaps any worry about that on my part may be premature.Kevin ChristensenBethel Park, PA
Brade Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 I hope you find a place to put this soon. I'm intersted. Sounds like a good read.
urroner Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 Kevin, you just don't understand, even if you are so much smarter than me. A prophet it a true prophet if the prophet can be interpreted as agreeing with the average Evangelical paradigm, even if they have uttered false prophecies like several found in the OT or if they existed after John the Baptist, even though there are some found in the NT.
hagoth7 Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 ...However, I don't have a place to put it online. If FAIR is interested, I'd like it there, but if not, I'm open for other suggestions....I can host it for you - and would be happy to be one of the people to review it prior to it going out to a broader audience.
maklelan Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 If you know how to make it work I'd be happy to host it on my blog. I'd also be happy to review it as well.
Sargon Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 I'm sure this will be a great read! I can't wait til you spruce it up and get it published.
Kevin Christensen Posted January 12, 2009 Author Posted January 12, 2009 Okay, I now have a pdf that I can send out tonight when I get home to those who wanted a preview. There are a couple of format issues (bullets, footnote numbering) that I need to work out while the reviewers do their thing. I have to tinker with paragraph definitions and my font selections on the Framemaker on my home Mac. My internet provider doesn't support Mac OS 8.6, I have to use floppies to move it back and forth to the home PC. And since I don't have Acrobat on my Mac, I have to bring the file to work to use Acrobat here to make the pdf. And of course, running that conversion from Postscript to pdf here brought surprises... So I need to figure out to make sure the format changes I make in Framemaker survive the transitions to Acrobat. A pain, but, this sort of study needs function and format as well as content to be useful.But the text is there, and the hypertext links work. So it is very reviewable. It seems in pretty good shape. It must have been 30 years ago when I sent a typewritten version to the Ensign, and got a nice rejection. How time flies when you're raising children, finding a career, finishing a degree, going from job to job, moving from state to state, going from manual typewriters, to electronic to Atari ST to Mac/PC to PowerMac to HP Pavilions, from stamped manilla envelopes to 56k baud, to fiber optic, from the FARMS mailing list to the Maxwell Institute...LifeOnAPlate contacted FAIR, and has let me know that FAIR will host it. Thanks for the offers and interest. Soon, my pretties... soonKevin ChristensenPittsburgh, PA
Buckeye Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 You could also contact wikileaks. They seem to post anything.
Confidential Informant Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 I just hope none of us is expecting Mr. Abanes to address it any any meaningful fashion. I'm sure he's already spent three or even four pages on it in his book.C.I.
Obiwan Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 You can upload it temporarily to several file sharing websites.... Rapidshare.com is the most popular, until you find a more permanent place.
e=mc2 Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 Any new news on where this is at so we can all access it? I can also host it on my Backyard Professor blog if you would like me to Kevin!
Kevin Christensen Posted January 13, 2009 Author Posted January 13, 2009 Thanks for the offer Kerry. A few brave souls are reviewing it this week, including FAIR. Once I digest the reviewer comments and make appropriate changes, and fix a few technical issues, I'll let you know where it goes online.One thing that occurs to me that I need to add is that not only do the arguments against true prophets uniformly demonstrate failure to offer up the "sacrifice of a broken heart and a contrite spirit" but the Bible descriptions of how to find truth in turn describe in detail how one goes about offering up such a sacrifice. The three corners--the tests for, the recommendations for finding truth, and the arguments against-- have an organic relationship. Kevin C.Bethel Park, PA
sleepyhead Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 Thanks for the offer Kerry. A few brave souls are reviewing it this week, including FAIR. Once I digest the reviewer comments and make appropriate changes, and fix a few technical issues, I'll let you know where it goes online.One thing that occurs to me that I need to add is that not only do the arguments against true prophets uniformly demonstrate failure to offer up the "sacrifice of a broken heart and a contrite spirit" but the Bible descriptions of how to find truth in turn describe in detail how one goes about offering up such a sacrifice. The three corners--the tests for, the recommendations for finding truth, and the arguments against-- have an organic relationship. Kevin C.Bethel Park, PAHello kevin, Fair doesn't permit reader input to their articles so I don't really see the benefit it allowing fair to publish it on their site. I aolso hope that any "appropriate changes" that are made, are done because you consider the point to be inacurate, rather than fairs disaproval.
Mellybug Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 Kevin, I would love to see this when you get it 'touched-up'. Thankyou so much for sharing all your hard work with us. I really look forward to reading it.
Wiki Wonka Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 Hello kevin, Fair doesn't permit reader input to their articles so I don't really see the benefit it allowing fair to publish it on their site. I aolso hope that any "appropriate changes" that are made, are done because you consider the point to be inacurate, rather than fairs disaproval.Oh yes they do. FAIR encourages feedback on its articles. Critical feedback is even better, because it challenges the material. Most new material now goes into the FAIR Wiki, and feedback on those articles is incorporated very, very quickly. Most articles have a feedback link near the top or the bottom. When any sort of feedback is received, an editor will review the article and make any appropriate changes. The link is here: Contact FAIR
LifeOnaPlate Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 Hello kevin, Fair doesn't permit reader input to their articles so I don't really see the benefit it allowing fair to publish it on their site. I aolso hope that any "appropriate changes" that are made, are done because you consider the point to be inacurate, rather than fairs disaproval.Actually input to FAIR articles is welcome and often received. The FAIR contact page is here: http://www.fairlds.org/contact.phpFrom what I can tell it is planned to simply host Kevin's paper as is. There is talk to the end of putting it into a wiki page, but in that case any edits are traceable and stored.
Kevin Christensen Posted January 23, 2009 Author Posted January 23, 2009 FAIR has now posted the PDF of Biblical Keys for Discerning True and False Prophets. They are also working on getting it into the Wiki. I think the pdf will be most useful because it is complete and portable. Missionaries could put it on memory sticks, for instance. Anyway, it is all done, hypertexted, bookmarked and ready to go.See the What's New at FAIR page here: http://www.fairlds.org/There. That's a thirty year load off my mind. Kevin ChristensenPittsburgh, PA
Sargon Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Thank you Bro. Christensen. This promises to be a good study!
LifeOnaPlate Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Nicely done! I'll be reading it later today hopefully.
kryoung1983 Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Nicely done! I'll be reading it later today hopefully.I can't wait to read it. It looks GREAT.
marnieh Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 I am reading the article and it is very interesting. However, can Kevin or someone direct me to where it might talk about prophecy that does not come true?
Mellybug Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 Thankyou for this. I just downloaded it and am very much looking forward to diving into your work tomorrow.
marnieh Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 Why is there nothing about prophecy that did come true?
Mormon2Christian Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 Why is there nothing about prophecy that did come true?Some of JS prophesy did turn out to be true but some didn't. So if we apply the prophet test... you know what happens.
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