the september six

[Calm]

Not one response on the likely negative impacts of public excommunication hearings. How surprising.

Nor one on the difference in outcome being dependent on the accused's personal response. How surprising.

Nor one providing quotes or references demonstrating any indepth knowledge of any of the S6, work or circumstances, past or present. How surprising.

Then you agree with me that apostacy is subjective. How nice.

And you've convinced me: the church does not have the authority to effect anyone's eternal salvation at all. How comforting that is. They cannot change it, cannot take it away, nothing they do makes any difference in the long run. How silly of me, to think they actually could do that.

Thank you.

It's hardly an earthshaking revelation. It is the logical understanding of human life since all human behaviour, containing both the inner and outer experience, is subjective.

Do you agree with me on that? Didn't you get a degree in Social Work or something and work as a probation officer at one time? Did you approach your clients with a check list of do's and don'ts? Answer yes or no. Dance card not filled out just right? Back in the slammer for you. Does simplify the work and cut down on stress, doing things that way.

As long as those brain cells are firing, individual human reality includes subjectiveness. Humans are funny that way, can't be reduced to simple, formulaic analysis no matter how much some of us need to pretend they can. Subjective and objective, rational and irrational, intellectual and emotional and spiritual and probably an infinite number of other qualities, all at once, all tied up in a neat little package. Overwhelming for some people to consider. I think it's rather fun and exciting. I love a challenge.

Do you claim that you actually believed that templework had any eternal significance as described by LDS doctrine in the first place (as in at the beginning of the thread, you don't need to do a sob story about how you were deceived in your younger days)? You treat your temple recommend as a ticket to your children's weddings.

I highly doubt that one thing I or anyone else has said has changed your mind on what the Church can or can't 'really' do. I doubt that you even understand what I've said since your conclusion is a negation of every point I've ever made and most of the ones you've made as well.

Simply because the Church's action will not change the eventual outcome does not imply that "nothing they do makes any difference in the long run."

The point you continually sidestep whenever it's convenient for you is the foundational doctrine that God is the one ultimately directing both the Church and execution of his Plan, though you certainly know it since you yourself listed it in your one thoughtfully responsive post:

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1) Everyone who ever lived on the earth and was unable to do their own temple work [for reasons not under their control] will have their temple work done for them....This is a basic doctrine and policy of the church.

With an adjustment in the brackets to make it apply as widely as it actually does, this is exactly what any believing LDS has been claiming on this thread. You even made this claim in your point 3:

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An excommunication in error is moot (God can and does restore lost blessings in those cases)

I am not the least surprised this LDS belief in the ultimate wisdom of God is not a comfort to you. You continually express a lack of trust in spiritual authority as defined by the LDS faith; that this extends all the way to heaven is hardly surprising.